The Iraq War
"Tell me that right-wing governments works. Tell me that going to war with Iraq was the right thing. Convince me that there is any possible reasons to relate Iraq with Al-Queda and with 9/11. Tell me that the massive civilian casualities in all the countries America has invaded justifies being able to live in a "safe" society. "
Well its commen sense really. Lets start with your first question. Why was the iraq war the right thing. Well, before 9/11 Saddam was and has before acted as a terrorist. He was becoming very powerful again in his dictatorship. Then 9/11 happens, and who do we look to whos financially aiding the terrorists? Saddam, of course! Some of you will ask me for proof, well, you dont always need proof to see the obvious.
Even John Kerry said "he is and has acted like a terrorist" (John Kerrys actually for the war, the reason he changed his opinion is because he likes to say whatever is popular with dems) So we remove saddam and the terrorist network. Now some of you will say that the fact that just because "Saddam was a bad guy" That it doesnt justify the 100,000 deaths it took to get him out. But remember that saddam tortured his people. Imagine if we left saddam in power, in 20 years, where would he be? Well he would have been a lot more powerful than he is now, killed a lot more than 100,000, But thats just inside iraq. Imagine what military force he would have gained, he would be at a head terrorist position, his forces and al quida would have joined, and would have enough power to make many terrorist attacks, perhaps even challenge our power as a nation. In the Long run Iraq was better off.
Bush made the right decision, he finished what his father started.
Well its commen sense really. Lets start with your first question. Why was the iraq war the right thing. Well, before 9/11 Saddam was and has before acted as a terrorist. He was becoming very powerful again in his dictatorship. Then 9/11 happens, and who do we look to whos financially aiding the terrorists? Saddam, of course! Some of you will ask me for proof, well, you dont always need proof to see the obvious.
Even John Kerry said "he is and has acted like a terrorist" (John Kerrys actually for the war, the reason he changed his opinion is because he likes to say whatever is popular with dems) So we remove saddam and the terrorist network. Now some of you will say that the fact that just because "Saddam was a bad guy" That it doesnt justify the 100,000 deaths it took to get him out. But remember that saddam tortured his people. Imagine if we left saddam in power, in 20 years, where would he be? Well he would have been a lot more powerful than he is now, killed a lot more than 100,000, But thats just inside iraq. Imagine what military force he would have gained, he would be at a head terrorist position, his forces and al quida would have joined, and would have enough power to make many terrorist attacks, perhaps even challenge our power as a nation. In the Long run Iraq was better off.
Bush made the right decision, he finished what his father started.
41 Comments:
Wow. This is a really bad political blog, almost like it's written by a child.
It's not that you don't have a chance to know what the hell you're talking about, but start giving some serious thought to not your political beliefs, but where they're coming from, and the validity of their foundation.
The big question: Do I submit to authority or challenge it?
Everything follows from there.
Now I would like you to imagine that those 100.000 dead people were your family, your friends, Would you remain with this stupid ideia that what your president did was right????? I don't think so...
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julien
I guess you people that are giving this kid a hard time also believe that we shouldn't have retaliated even though they freakin came in our country and tried to blow us up on 9-11 right? No, we shouldn't have done anything, right? How many people died on 9-11? How many of those people were your friends and family?
hey. i dont really agree with what u said because just in my opinion its completly wrong. i can understand ur 15 and all, but the points u used as persuasion are really the weakest and have been argued about the whole time. politics isnt my forte and so i cant expect it to be urs either. although its gd 2 see that you have an opinion on this sort of thing. just be open minded, there arent many people your age who would have an accurate/sound opinion. there's loads of learnin 2 do.
"whos financially aiding the terrorists?"
Er, aren't you forgeting that the terrorists were mainly Saudi Arabian? Why has the Bush adminstration not taken any action against Saudi Arabia? Ah right yeh, the oil.
Please be more open minded and stop vomiting up opinions you've learnt elsewhere.
Kelli Belly:
You are wrong again. I strongly suggest you start paying more attention to unbiased news sources. There are no proven connections between 9-11 and the War in Iraq. They are two very seperate events, your president would like you to believe that the reason we are in Iraq is because Saddam had something to do with 9-11, but alas, do your homework and you will discover there are no connections. Your president has lied to the American people and he will continue to lie.
I fully support your views. If more people knew about the mass genocide that Saddam orchestrated during the Anfal campaign in the late 80's they would better understand why both Bush and Bush Sr. attacked Iraq. The estimates are that 80,000 to 180,000 peaple "disappeared" with 30% of that number being women and children. How can people justify leaving the man responsible for that carnage in power?
"Now I would like you to imagine that those 100.000 dead people were your family, your friends, Would you remain with this stupid ideia that what your president did was right????? I don't think so..."
Yes I would think the president is right. I think with my mind, not with my heart.
"i can see wot ur sayin, but doesn't that make them as bad as saddam for killing innocent people??"
No. The option we chose would cause less death in the long run, and the people's lives would be better off by living in democracy instead of the dictatorship that would have remained had we not invaded. In the long run iraq's better off.
less death in the long run
so the end always justifies the means?
Why don't we kill every Muslim in the world, after all then we'd be safer right? Your arguments continue to add light-humour to the day. Try concentrating on schooling not right-wing propaganda which takes to highly-educated person to successfully pull off whilst lieing to the public.
"The big question: Do I submit to authority or challenge it?"
One word answer: Both.
As a Christian I believe that we are commanded to submit to the authorities in our nation, whether or not we agree with them. God is not unaware of who our leaders are - if anything it is he who has appointed the time for them to be in office. Which is not to say that they are necessarily Godly people, only that they are a part of the bigger plan.
Human nature being what it is, our leaders are often wrong, and worse than that, they are often intentionally deceitful or unlawful, not only against their own laws, which change from place to place, but against the eternal law of God. In these occassions we are to follow the higher authority, that being God.
Having said all of that, I still am somewhat divided in my opinion about GWB and the Iraq war in general. I do believe that ousting Saddam was the right thing to do - he was very much a terrorist, more to his own people than to anyone else. But there are a lot of facts that just don't add up. Do I believe that George Bush is the anti-christ, as Stephen Hanchett suggests? Well, I believe that he COULD be anti-christ. I believe that there are a lot of things that go on within the current administration, in conjunction with the fundamentalist "religious right" (who call themselves Christians but really seem to have no idea what Christ's purpose really was on this earth) that is in the spirit of the anti-christ. On the other hand, I have some more personal and inside knowledge that would suggest he is being used as more of a pawn in the whole thing. It really is hard to say. I think it is entirely possible that GWB is not now the anti-christ but may BECOME the anti-christ.
In the end, I believe that those who are genuinely seeking the truth about these matters will have that truth revealed to them in the proper time, but in the meantime we have to stop allowing these kinds of debates to divide us.
"Tell me that right-wing governments works. Tell me that going to war with Iraq was the right thing. Convince me that there is any possible reasons to relate Iraq with Al-Queda and with 9/11. Tell me that the massive civilian casualities in all the countries America has invaded justifies being able to live in a "safe" society. "
Well its commen sense really. Lets start with your first question. Why was the iraq war the right thing.
Well, before 9/11 Saddam was and has before acted as a terrorist. He was becoming very powerful again in his dictatorship.
That's not the reality this country set Saddam in power thanks to the CIA and the Bush. The reality of it was the big banks and the oil co. did not like the idea of saddam lowering the oil prices. That would be a threat to the oil companies so they had to take them out. Hey why don't you ask the trilateral commission or the council of foreign relations about this...try to read the book house of bush house of saud there is a portion of it that discuss about saddam's relations with bush. Don't ever give me that he was an evil man this country did provided all of the weapons you know.
Then 9/11 happens, and who do we look to whos financially aiding the terrorists? Saddam, of course!
Saddam has nothing to do with terrorism and this whole terrorism is all bunch of bull. I am so sick of people like fox news or nbc and use the words terrorists and insurgents. The government has some sort of degenerative disease that they create these terror bombs and use a scapegoat such as the WWII where they send Japanese to internment camps because pearl harbor was invaded. Eisenhower had preknowledge about the event and caused the americans to fear and stir up then the government attempts the act like the hero. Ordo Ab Chao creating fear and reation then bliss. It's a simple formula but it works on people like you.
Some of you will ask me for proof, well, you dont always need proof to see the obvious.
I won't take that seriously...
Even John Kerry said "he is and has acted like a terrorist" (John Kerrys actually for the war, the reason he changed his opinion is because he likes to say whatever is popular with dems)
That is one of the crappiest logic I have ever heard. I've always loathed Jon Kerry not because he is a democrat or republican but he was FOR the war. He's no different than Bush since they are part of the big corps and the skull and bones. Dems and Republicans are all the same people. Actually these oxymorn terms should be abolished and replaced by the terms of Illuminati and Globalists since these people are bunch of power hungry people thriving for money wearing on a suit and claiming to gap the rich and poor but in reality has widen the gap further. Why do you see these big corporate names establishing and colonizing places in thrid world countries well it's simple they use people for cheap labor and in return polluting the environment. Bhopal was a prime example of a chemical company that had a disaster in 83 where countless people died. What did the corporation and the ceo did well nothing but they donated money to the familes. How is that justice?
So we remove saddam and the terrorist network. Now some of you will say that the fact that just because "Saddam was a bad guy" That it doesnt justify the 100,000 deaths it took to get him out. But remember that saddam tortured his people.
What are the difference between Saddam, Khomeini, the Shah, Mao, Eisenhower, Bush 1 and 2, Nixon, Stalin, and Hitler? It's none. The only differences between the American Presidents and the foreign is the big banks we (as in this country) set them there we gave them power and we removed their power. We give them weapons and create biological warfare. Look at Africa and this so called AIDS virus, smallpox, Ebola West Nile and Marburg. Whatever article talks about these diseases it's primarily talks about coming from Africa. This country is creating genocide in Africa with their biowarfare killing the Africans in Africa. The globalists always had a deep resentment towards blacks. Don't tell me about the higher officers like Condi or Mandella. They are working for the big banks.
Imagine if we left saddam in power, in 20 years, where would he be? Well he would have been a lot more powerful than he is now, killed a lot more than 100,000,
Imagine when Bush had already set an establishment for himself as president for life abolishing the 22nd amendment then what? Would you still laude the master of all lies? How about the patriot act that would destroy everything in the constitution piece by piece?
But thats just inside iraq. Imagine what military force he would have gained, he would be at a head terrorist position, his forces and al quida would have joined, and would have enough power to make many terrorist attacks, perhaps even challenge our power as a nation. In the Long run Iraq was better off.
Now that's laughs...I don't think I need to set a rebuttal from there...
Bush made the right decision, he finished what his father started.
No this country should have been a sovereign nation and kept our own busniess. We have our own problems and issues such as the environment and this so called oil crisis. Why haven't we progressed to receiving better cars (i.e. hydrofuel cars) or the obesity crisis in america? By all means there are so much garbage in the foods recently people still eat fast foods or buy tv dinners that would minimally harm us. Instead we set to arise in invading other countries for major corporation financial gains.
In the end I am not going to take this seriously and I have done my part. This whole post is another sort of major propoganda done by a left/right paradigm. I am sick of hearing the words how terrorists are part of Al Queda and discriminate against muslims.
BTW if you want to talk more about this then here's an email to contact
guitaris21300@hotmail.com
if it was such a great idea to go in why is it chaos right now. This is stupid. Think about. how can you seriously write this.
because people are so obsessed with the idea of george bush being corrupt and evil and war is bad that its blowing away our troops moral! We need to stay the course, and we need to stay together on decisions! why dont you go here for the reason of why, italy the cat.
http://intellectsantonyms.blogspot.com/
because people are so obsessed with the idea of george bush being corrupt and evil and war is bad that its blowing away our troops moral!
It's too late to stop Bush he is fulfilling every way of destroying families' lives and what does the troop's moral have to do with anything? We have legitimate issues why Bush is bad and you keep ignoring it as some sort of left right propoganda. What does the troop's moral have to do with this? There is no morale when it comes with this war.
I browsed through your blog for first time. Congratulations for getting engaged politically and expressing yourself. I like your posts regarding abortion, specifically the facts you use to back them up. I don't think Bush is the Anti-Christ, and I'm very pro-military and believe in a foreign policy of peace through strength (and smarts). However, the Iraq war is anything but moral or just, and it has hurt our efforts in the war on terror. The troops may save Bush from catastrophic failure by their bravery and compassion, and I'm hopeful for the future of Iraq. (I do believe we should stay, indefinitely, until there is stability and a govt of their choosing). But the ends do not justify the means. Bush has a tremendous potential for good, but his arrogance and lack of desire to understand the world (and the other half of the country) is rapidly eating away at our international credibility and our national unity. I don't care if Bush apologizes or says it was a mistake, I just want us as a country to learn from our mistakes. You don't need to say it publicly right away, but at some point in the future, we all, including the Neoconservative movement, need to acknowledge that, privately or publicly. I'd encourage you to study the issue further. And the troops' morale should be taken into consideration, but we owe them our unconditional support and truth more than anything else, not the support of a political decision that was a mistake. Good luck to you, and continue blogging!
My My...some of us have shit stains in our undergarments! I wash my undergarments in a nice little creek in back of my home. some of you in here should wash your undergarments. Once I didn't...and they got up and walked away.
in the long run iraq is better off. if your too ignorant to except that fact, or cant come too realize it, then once again your too bogged down in details to see the forest through the trees. Who tortured his people? Who was being harassed by thier dictatorship government? Alot more people would have died along with alot more pain and suffering had we not invaded.
people say that this war and bush is turning our government into a dictatorship. Is that what we get for getting rid of the one in iraq? We go out and help those people, and what do we get? A lot of idiotic liberaldemocrats who whine and stomp thier feet just because they LOST the election. Oh, but bush stole the election, hes evil! YEAH SHUT Up! god your so ignorant, it makes me insane!
WAKE UP!
ha! resources. this is your own writing dude.
Your an idiot. the "hyperlinks" both lead to your website and you spewing your left wing propoganda and you insulting mine and other peoples intelligence.
once again your too bogged down in details to see the forest through the trees. you couldnt see that I ment that the hyperlinks wernt really sources.
What do you mean, "hyperlinks aren't really sources". You get all of your information from that htmlbible site, which is a hyperlink.
i meant "his" hyperlinks werent sources. they just led to his website ranting about how horrible bush is.
and I only got one source from there.
BC08
Silly little child...you think the big BAD liberals are out to get Bush. Then you claim to "respect the president's decision." However when it was clinton (Illuminati Puppet) You slag him down. That pretty much contradicts what you say. Either way you are still Idolizing the president just like caesar.
Did you read the project of the New American Century site yet?
To Kirk
It is also indicated the American Administration established saddam in power.
to anonymouse,
Clinton isnt the president anymore so I dont have to respect his mistakes. just like when a child grows up and can realize his parents mistakes. I respected clinton when he was in office, just like you should respect bush now.
Kirk,
I said I had only one source from "html bible" I didnt say I had only one source on my whole site. You liberals have a terribly low comprehnsion level.
Saddam shaking hands with rumsfield? well maybe you should read the article before you assume that hes pulling another john kerry (http://www.tinyvital.com/BlogArchives/000831.html)
We were trying to improve our relations with iraq.
Well I warned you about these libs, they're all really wacked in the head, not having a clue about reality.
Don't take them too seriously, I don't. They know not what the're babbling about and don't have the true facts about Bush or the war.
For Tere and her ilk,
Western Civilization is finally taking stock of what has happened in our world since the early 1970s. In this period of over three decades, multiple billions of dollars had to be spent for security against Muslim hijackers. Muslim terrorists have hijacked airplanes, ships and buses. They have bombed our Embassies, Military barracks, trains and subways.
On 9/11, they turned three aircraft filled with innocent civilians into human cruise missiles, destroying two landmark commercial buildings and damaging the Pentagon. A fourth plane was caused to crash, killing everyone onboard, as part of another attempt in the same operation. Almost three thousand people were killed in this one terrorist operation.
Thousands of innocent people have been killed in Islamic terrorist attacks in the last 30 plus years. These attacks have occurred all over the world.
The one constant has been they were inspired and executed by Muslims. Islamic Fundamentalists are like parasites. They feed off the body of Muslim communities living among us. It does not take a rocket scientist to see what must be done. If the ‘peaceful’ majority of Muslims do not begin to actively and vigorously expose the radicals in their communities, then we, the people of the United States and United Kingdom will have to do it for them.
We are tired of the ‘peaceful’ Muslims sitting by and doing nothing to expose the disciples preaching hate and jihad in their Mosques. There is almost a silent admiration of these fanatics on the part of some. Many allow their financial contributions to be used by the Jihad preachers.
We are getting weary of organizations like CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations) crying about civil rights violations when law enforcement organizations seek to carry on surveillance of Muslim communities. Since Muslims do not police themselves against the Islamic Fundamentalist parasites, we must.
Our Intelligence forces all warn that it is only a matter of time before Islamic terrorist will attack our cities with Weapons of Mass Destruction. This includes everything from nuclear to biological bombs.
When one of these attacks happens, a flood of rage will burst forth and nothing or anyone will be able to stop it. The law of the jungle will take over. Muslim communities who did nothing to stop the radicals among them will be the first targets.
READ THIS LINK FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THESE ISLAMIC WACKOS AND WHAT THEY WANT TO DO TO US, AND SOON.....
http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/AmericanHiroshima.asp
BC08 Clinton has every part of it just as the the neocons and globalists do. He is kust doing his bidding with the Rockfellers. So what Clinton is not president anymore while he plays along with his little BS affair these neocon think tanks had every strategy to divert the media to strategize the war.
Otty,
This is the same propoganda I've been reading about these so called terrorists. I don't buy any of it. It speaks nothing but misrepresentations and context. This is no difference than catholics or apostate christians using their fear and hatred.
BTW if you would have known terrorism does not exist. Check who started the Gulf of Tonkin bombing in Vietnam.
anonymouse,
this is exactly what I was talking about in my dreams post! Oh "i dont buy any of it" well I guess your going to have to wait for it to hit you in the face before you "buy" any of it. Oh wait, the conservatives are alredy on it to make sure something like that doesnt happen! but then when we make sure people like these islamic fundamentalists are at bay, the liberals whine about how we should have never done this or that.
They never except the proof until its right in front of them and black and white.
Of course the conservatives of this country, the big boys who really run this country, know its going to happen beforehand and counter it.
The libs are so convinced that their right, they wont except anything else that is against their warped view of thinking! Steven Hanchett is a perfect example.
Liberalism is a virus, and I for one am not going to let it take over this country. I am going to fight it. I suggest those of you who agree with me to do the same.
our government is a virus no matter who is in control and don't give me this whole anti-liberal mantra. This country is going to hell along with the world. these lowlives are reaming us from the gas prices to outsourcing. All you talk about is your terrorist BS.
BC08 since you want to get it personal I will gladly show you the truth what you really are
By all means you are definitely not a christian on a christian path. Yes you can start on your little occultic army of killing anyone who is not part of the Bush team. You believe in the lies on all of the major TV because corporate America wants to keep people like you in line. You think anything that is against bush is a liberal bias based on your own irrational pubesent mind.
Once agan your irrational hatred speaks for itelf. You paint a picture that all muslims are bad and the christians are right. Wait I can't label you a christian because you were never one at all. You are forcing people to buy your little propoganda and shove it right down in people's throats by trolling on other sites and attack them and then cry self pity because the obtuse vile liberals had destroyed your feelings. Don't try say you didn't because that's also another lie.
Someday you will learn in the long run something will happen to you when karma strikes 10 folds.
"The one constant has been they were inspired and executed by Muslims. Islamic Fundamentalists are like parasites. They feed off the body of Muslim communities living among us. It does not take a rocket scientist to see what must be done. If the ‘peaceful’ majority of Muslims do not begin to actively and vigorously expose the radicals in their communities, then we, the people of the United States and United Kingdom will have to do it for them."
This is what I believe. Are you saying that this paints a picture of all muslims being bad? No it doesnt. It shows that there are terrorist in the muslim community, and the peacful majority hasnt done anything about it.
Why do you lump all conservatives into one big racist, war loving muslim hating, evil category? its not going to get you anywhere. Start being open to other peoples veiws and not your warped own.
What terrost muslims there are no terrorists. Therefore these so muslims are radicals being paid operatives by CIA/MI6/Savak to create chaos.
It's people like you who give conservatives a bad rap. Since you consider muslims as terrorists. Stop assuming that you think I hate all conservatives. I just pick out the ones who know what they are talking about and the ones who are the parroted propoganda machine that you are.
If you hate muslims so much then why don't they run after Saudi Arabia? Bush's oil buddy Bandari?
btw nice attempt to twist my words around. You think you know everything because you are 15 but you are just a unwise insecure man who sleeves on a patriotic flag and defends the president who constantly lies. I am not going to be this self righteous wiseman myself. I just pretain from your true self.
anonymouse: its people like you who give this whole country a bad rep. The anarchism you show for this country and that the whole system is corrupt is only political depression on your part. "There are no such things as terrorists." Thats got to be the most idiotic, blind statement ive ever heard and just proves my point of liberals having their heads in the clouds. There is no terrorist threat. Please.
anonymouse: its people like you who give this whole country a bad rep. The anarchism you show for this country and that the whole system is corrupt is only political depression on your part. "There are no such things as terrorists." Thats got to be the most idiotic, blind statement ive ever heard and just proves my point of liberals having their heads in the clouds. There is no terrorist threat. Please.
Oh Please, if you want to see anarchism check out rwanda. The military dictatorship has no laws, women and children being killed by a general who is 17 years old. You really jump the boat of labelling me as an anarchist. Blind? well people who praise Bush as an idol are blind sheep. People who are part of this left right paradigm are blind sheep. This terror threat is taking out from our tax dollars and we have to pay taxes for this homeland (in)security? What a bunch of whitewash to hear on the news of the terror threat keeping people in line. While we have to work in slave wages the elite (No I did not say republicans or democrats) the elite are enjoying the good life with multiple trips to private resorts and lavish meetings.
Well Al-CIAda are being paid to create chaos. Kid you never check out the foundations where they get their supplies or economic payment? If this country is supposed to be the best country why aren't we a sovereign nation and keep our nose to our busniess? Hmm well I heard about Mao but you might not be too familiar with him actually graduated from Columbia University is that a trip? yep
What I see treason here are government invading countries to promote democracy, I see the gap between rich and poor rising and the inflation rising. What happened to the gold supplies and abolishing the federal reserve for gold currency?
Anarchism and terrorism, I am laughing at this petty excuse...
and don't give me this liberal bias this and liberal that and praise bush and terror is still available. There is no liberal bias it's just plain BIAS.
"the elite are enjoying the good life with multiple trips to private resorts and lavish meetings."
Yeah because we earned it! You want to give money to the poor when they didnt earn it, well let me tell you something thats inducing lazyness on thier part. you give them money for free, and they will only ask for more.
You deleted my post wow because it's boring? What do you expect angry tantrums and cursings, you are a sad sad 15 year old who is dodging the issue and never answer anyone's question. don't try to BS anyone except yourself.
Keep dreaming
Oh angry you are the ones who like to call liberals idiots and definte losers and delete people's posts. You are no different than anyone else in other sites.
I am not angry I am pointing out how you are underdeveloped in your thinking. You still lump my post as anarchism is BS. But never did give absolute proof why it was anarchy and no definite reasons about the foundations of terrorism or anything else about anarchism. It is also Anarchy to say about the New American Century. Well Newsflash for you we are invading, and we are in a police state.
I am absolutely offended you still delude yourself as "Bush" god like qualities even though he quoted about being a dictator. That is completely UNAmerican.
oops I had thrown the brick into your little glass house and it's shattered. Brickheads are what the Bush Administration do to destroy everything about America.
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