Wacked out
"Our country is founded on a sham: our forefathers were slave-owning rich guys who wanted it thier way. So when I see an American Flag, I go 'oh my god, your insulting me'. That you can have a gay parade on Christopher street in New York, with gay naked men and women on a float cheering,'were here, were queer!'--THATS what makes my heart swell. Not the flag, but a gay naked man or woman burning the flag. I get choked up with pride"
-Janeane Garofalo
Its Hopeless.
-Janeane Garofalo
Its Hopeless.
138 Comments:
Wacked out
That's because most islamic terrorists weren't pissed off enough to commit terrorism. but now were taking them out, and they're angry. there may be more terrorism now, but in 20 years, at least 90% of terrorism will be wiped from the face of this earth.
I am practically QUOTING these words from the bible buddy! I think its leviticus 22:18. There is no such thing as gay marraige. marraige is defined as one man and one woman. in the bible. but your not christian, or at least you don't have christian values.
oh and guess what? Owning an assault weapon equals two things. no 1: freedom to bear arms. No 2: SELF DEFENSE. When I get a car the first bumper sticker Im going to put on it is "Buy a gun - piss off a liberal".
--Jayson Wilson
It's Hopeless.
As I only see one comment here, Jayson, and it is yours, what are you responding to? I'm confused!
By the way: Terrorists were pissed off enough to commit murder on 9/11 weren't they?
dfkz: why dont you make your own blog where you can call me wacked out on - thanks.
Jayson, it looks like you've angered him a little. Just look at the interests in his profile
End Times Antichrist Bush Anti Bush Antichrist God Politics Exposing Republican Corruption Democractic Party Liberalism Peak Oil Movies Film Scores The Daily Show Stargate Garrison Keillor Al Franken Michael Moore Janeane Garofalo Canines bicycling
He's offended but he's done a pretty bad job defending what she/he said. is it a girl's name? I can't decide. she/he can't be too big of a celeb if I don't know the gender of this person, lol.
yeah oh my goodness this is very amusing. every single person I bash he writes down on there. Maybe I should start bashing hitler.
She's a comedian (SNL), actor, and current co-host of Air America's "Majority Report". She is currently guest starring on NBC's "The West Wing".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janeane_Garofalo
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/archive/index.php/t-46606.html
Come on now, do you really think that comment was meant 100% seriously? To me it is obvious that she is being over-the-top for humorous effect here... That's not to say she didn't mean for there to be some element of truth in the comment (the part about our forefathers, for example), but you have to be pretty tone-deaf to Janeane Garofalo's type of humor to take this as a literal statement of her beliefs. Same goes for some of the other comments they include to show what an "idiot" she is:
Explaining why she and other anti-war protesters didn't organize demonstrations when President Clinton launched attacks on Iraq, Bosnia, Afghanistan and the Sudan:
"It wasn't very hip" [to protest Clinton's Wars].
Some of her comments on the page do seem to be more earnest, but it's silly to include wisecracks and jokes as if they were her real opinions.
every single person I bash he writes down on there.
"Janeane Garofalo" was on my list of interests long before you posted that quote.
I'm not going to add "Hitler" to my list of interests. If I did add his name you don't think it could be for reasons other than because I admire him?
But yes, all the names on my list are of people I admire. Except bush, but I think I made that clear.
I guess if I do add Hitler to my list of interests I will have to be clear that I am Anti-Hitler. I wouldn't want anyone to think I was pro-Hitler.
Your mentioning Hitler brought to mind the following article (be sure to read the last paragraph):
http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0403a.asp
[begin article quote] On February 27, Hitler was enjoying supper at the Goebbels home when the telephone rang with an emergency message: "The Reichstag is on fire!" Hitler and Goebbels rushed to the fire, where they encountered Hermann Goering, who would later become Hitler's air minister. Goering was shouting at the top of his lungs, "This is the beginning of the Communist revolution! We must not wait a minute. We will show no mercy. Every Communist official must be shot, where he is found. Every Communist deputy must this very day be strung up".
The day after the fire, the Prussian government announced that it had found communist publications stating:
"Government buildings, museums, mansions and essential plants were to be burned down... Women and children were to be sent in front of terrorist groups... The burning of the Reichstag was to be the signal for a bloody insurrection and civil war... It has been ascertained that today was to have seen throughout Germany terrorist acts against individual persons, against private property, and against the life and limb of the peaceful population, and also the beginning of general civil war".
So how was Goering so certain that the fire had been set by communist terrorists? Arrested on the spot was a Dutch communist named Marinus van der Lubbe. Most historians now believe that van der Lubbe was actually duped by the Nazis into setting the fire and probably was even assisted by them, without his realizing it.
Why would Hitler (bush) and his associates (PNAC) turn a blind eye to an impending terrorist attack on their national congressional building (Twin Towers) or actually assist with such a horrific deed? Because they knew what government officials have known throughout history -- that during extreme national emergencies, people are most scared and thus much more willing to surrender their liberties in return for "security" (Patriot Act). And that's exactly what happened during the Reichstag terrorist crisis. [end article quote]
Is this a case of history repeating itself or what?
Janeane Garofalo makes slanderous, anti-American statemnets like that while taking everything America has to offer. I wonder if she even realizes how fortunate she is to be able to live somewhere where she wouldn't be imprisoned or killed for a comment like that (like pre-war Iraq, maybe? THERE she could have literally had her tongue cut out for speaking against the government.) I don't think liberals will ever get it.
Then tell me why should we support the patriot act and don't give me "protection of terrorists." I want a valid point rather than how we need to spread democracy and how great we live in this country. We live in a world filled with conspirators.
Then tell me why should we support the patriot act and don't give me "protection of terrorists."
I'm going to guess that you are addressing me, since my post mentioned the patriot act. I do not think we should support it.
http://www.eff.org/patriot/
The USA PATRIOT Act broadly expands law enforcement's surveillance and investigative powers and represents one of the most significant threats to civil liberties, privacy and democratic traditions in U.S. history.
it was to mary ann
"Then tell me why should we support the patriot act and don't give me "protection of terrorists." I want a valid point rather than how we need to spread democracy and how great we live in this country. We live in a world filled with conspirators."
sorry, but I am going to give you "protection of terrorists". In this new age of terrorism, we need to be on the lookout for spies and assasins and plotters on the inside. It needs to be done!
GARBAGE! I won't buy your drivel, you never gave a valid point about this restrictive freedom. The conspirators are here and it's the government dems, republicans, world leaders they are all part of this "shadow" government. My friend you are NO supporter and protector of the constitution. That's the reality of you so stop denying it...
It's kind of funny for you to call bc08s stuff drivel when you ramble on attacking people like this without a real arguement.
DARKSTRATOS! It's kind of funny your little smut know it all of your mind should be smacked silly.
Since you want to get personal I will tell you this:
1) You know NOTHING about this country
2) Most of the founding fathers are masons meaning they are in fact conspirators
3) Our government create order and chaos: please refer to Gulf of Tonkin, Spanish War, OKC Bombing,and Pearl Harbor. They even kill their own people just for their greeds.
4) What is the difference between Dems and Republcians even though they are ALL same creating their hypocrisies of integrating church and state along with their bedbuddy corporate cronies...
have a nice day
Order of Chaos said:
"DARKSTRATOS! It's kind of funny your little smut know it all of your mind should be smacked silly."
With an opening like that I completely shut down and didn't even bother to read what else you had to say.
I think you should apologize.
S'Okay Gayle, his arguement made little sense as well.
You SHOULD read it, he says that WE caused Pearl Harbor. That is the kind of sick garbage that dishonors the people who died there. Just read it for laughs and maybe with pity.
Little boy if you have done your reasearch instead of filling your eye with bullshit and rooting for the home team then I might take you seriously. You parrot everything from the "news" and you prove my point even further that you are too blind to see who "runs" this world.
Okay all your pretty much saying is "you dont have a valid point, but my point about how the whole government is an evil plot to take over the world!" compared to my "the patriot act is needed so we can see the traitor's hiding in our country, otherwise they will succeed, and more people will die"
if my concept is as alien to you as your is to mine, then I guess we'll never understand eachother. In the meantime why dont you start being respectful here.
Thats right, our source is the 'news' the thing that everyone watches daily to be informed on the world. You should watch it. maybe itll teach you a thing or two. It certainly doesnt have all this garbage about conspiracys and evil emporers.
I dont actually watch news, I listen to TRN news. But I wouldn't expect Order of Chaos to know anything about alternate news sources.
If you think your idea of watching FOX, CNN or any other newscasts I certainly would get a laugh at those since it was such. I read issues from Foreign Relations and Financial times. Their issues are usually further ahead 2-4 months before it gets on to how you people call it "news."
It certainly doesnt have all this garbage about conspiracys and evil emporers.
It's simple the government does not WANT you to know behind their theatrical performance. They want to keep people like you in line and divide everyone up because of some stupid party the media wants to manipulate progressive/conservative/Repub/Dems as evil. It's the damn truth and you cannot deny it. Go right fucking ahead call it your little silly conspiracy you are being lied to.
I don't make apologies to what I say and I can fuck less about being respectable because most of your stull is arrogant, self righteous, garbage, and machinated baby. I have seen other conservative writers who are not loyalists to your lying leader.
No matter what you say, you cannot prove it. You cannot prove your wacked out theory about how everythings fake. your the one who's believing a lie. I just did deny it. FACE!!
Those conservatives are very ignorant indeed, as are you. Im tired of this, Ive talked to this america hater enough. you know what? you and 322 would get along perfectly! Ill give you the link to his blog. later.
Cody, as Phantom Driver told me, I think you have picked up a shill, paid for by moveon.org or some such organization to go to conservative blogs and rant and rave.
Order of Chaos doesn't have to explain he gives a (deleted) less about being respectable: it's quite self-evident. He can't talk very long without throwing in pejorative comments and offensive swear words which proves he has a low IQ and an even lower vocabulary. We shouldn't even bother to communicate with his ilk.
I got rid of DFKZ. Any more of them show up like this guy here, they will be history as well. I don't want to dirty my mind by reading their foul and traitorous thoughts.
Note: Don't bother to show up on either of my blogs, Order. If you do, as soon as I see it your comment will be deleted so it will be a waste of your time.
Gayle, I am not a "shill". They said the same thing about jayson on Stephen Hanchett's site, and I didn't believe it there either (That there are shills on any of these sites). Someone would pay someone to "disrupt" a Republican website? Provide some proof that this is happening. I would be interested in reading it.
You got rid of me? Ok, fine. I knew when I started posting on that thread that the likelyhood of my being banned was high. Now you're going around badmouthing me on other blogs? What's the point? FYI I never said anyone was a terrorist. I stand behind everything I said -- and apologize for nothing.
gayle: Im going to have to agree with dfkz on this one. These are people who want to get involved and speak thier beliefs. I dont think either side would pay people to do this because enough people do it on thier own already just because they want to.
From Ottmann's blog:
Liberals have been told to attack conservative blogs such as this one and argue with false propaganda refuting the facts, no matter how juvenile it looks. The proof is all over the internet in chat rooms and advertisments.
Really Ottmann, they were TOLD to use "false propaganda" -- In other words, all liberals know everything they believe is based on lies? IMO this proves, beyond any doubt, just how out of touch with reality YOU are Ottmann. It also shows just how filled with hate you are for liberals.
Funny how Ottmann, a conserative, got the memo, while I, a liberal shill, did not.
I did not post anything on Ottmann's blog -- as there would be no point. I would be accused of being: a liar, full of hate, in denial of the truth, and a paid shill. Also, I'm apparently banned there -- According to what Ottmann posted over on Gayle's blog -- although he never told me.
Who do you think is the conspiracy theorist nutjob now Jayson? What about you Gayle, you thought there could be a "meeting of the minds". Even though you have since retracted those words, you still said you were willing to talk to dadobot and samurai sam. Are you still in love with Ottmann now that he has revealed how much of a nutjob he really is?
Maybe, just maybe, the reason for the increased buzz on the internet is because we (liberals) FINALLY see people may be waking up to just how dishonest this administration is. The proof of that being the arrest of Procurement chief David H.
Safavian, and the indictments of Tom Delay and "Scooter" Libby (Yea!), and the upcoming indictments for Karl Rove. I hope they get sent away for a long time. NOT because I hate any of these people, but because they BROKE THE LAW.
Awhile later....
Yikes! I just read the first two comments over on Ottmann's blog. They both point out how Ottmann spewing hate is doing nothing to lend to his credibility. The first poster even starts by saying "You bring up a lot of good points...". But concludes by saying "That piece of mindless insult just distracts from all the good points you make".
And yet, on numerous occasions Ottmann has insisted that it was ME who was filled with hate. Funny, since I thought I was arguing for the solution that would save the most lives (re: terrorism) over on Gayle's blog.
(You can read those comments for yourself over at Ottmann's blog -- unless he deletes them -- which I think is highly likely.)
JAYSON! I don't need your silly little link on someone else's silly little blog so go fuck yourself...I have better things to read...For fuck's sake get a better pic it's scaring my damn son and all of my farm animals...
Phony Charlatan Gayle this time I'll be delightful to make its personal, if everyone thinks they are high and mature people with etiquette and prestigous vocabulary skills you still cannot think out of the paper bag that this country is divided into many pieces and still the constitution is dying for it's last breath. The fuck with the patriot act that's just another sham to restrict my rights and everyone else's god given rights. You should have stick your nose out of mine and darksaturated busniess it was between me and him.
Just because I curse and swear doesn't mean shit about lower vocabulary or intelligence. You think you are so slick of being the benign soul, I found out you did deleted some people's comments (such as scribe) talk about censorship and whining about opinions you hag. You are promoting censorship by deleting people's thoughts. What gives you a reason to delete their ideologies even though you are still promoting censorship because of a few potty mouths? Gotta love that icon with the turkey with the american flag that is so patriotic as if it was created in china.
Thanks for proving my point most of you are all cannon fodder for the New World Order. It shows how stupid most people when it comes to the government.
BTW JAYSON it is obvious you are a pathetic snake...posting your propogated phony garbgage about other people such as that angry america hater and your "reunion" all of it is fake. As for the "phony" conservatives comment I say anyone who is a defender of the constitution and a conservative is a REAL conservative not a bush loyalist...
Thank you so much Order of Chaos. You have proven exactly who you are! A little ticked off are you? Tch Tch. Such a baby. I have the absolute right to kick anyone off of my blog who does not follow my rules. They are posted there for everyone to see, and if you don't like it you don't need to be there.
By your childish ranting and raving and Cindy Beeeotch screaming, you have proven, absolutely proven, that you do have a low vocabulary and are insanely volitile. You aren't wrapped to tight, sweetheart. Go see a good shrink and get yourself fixed. What you don't understand, dear heart, is we let you go on this way so you can show the world that you have absolutely no agenda, no solutions, and all you are is depressed and angry because you don't rule this country any more. You and your like have become a laughing stock, and unfortunately a lot of good Democrats are going down the hole because of the likes of people like you.
As for the New World Order sweety, it ain't gonna happen.
One other thing I will point out here, It's God given rights, not god given rights. Anyone who truly believes in God knows to capitalize God. Also, its Darksaturos, not darskaturated. (I know... I get your evil little inference here). Your ignorance is showing in green, yellow and brown, all the lovely colors or vomit or crap, and not in red, white and blue. Strange that you don't have the nerve to come onto my blog and post this. Well, maybe not so strange. You know I will delete you.
So, you want a new world order but you disparage my turkey because it might come from China? Showed your butt again, didn't you?
Back in the day when I was a girl there was an expression when someone got the best of someone else. It was called "Zorroed." Because of Zorro, you know. Probably you don't know. Never-the-less, when you Zorroed someone you got the best of them.
You've just been Zorroed sweety. Now go read a book, get off of the computer games and Comic Books and try, just try to live in the real world. Also study english and punctuation. Yours seriously needs improvement.
(Yes, Chaos will come back to blow off more steam, and we will deal with Chaos the way all nuts are dealt with. By letting them show everyone who they truly are.)
By the way Jason, did you realize you and I are both snakes? I was born, according to the Chinese who made my Turkey (according to Chaos) in the year of the snake. So we both have something in common. Snakes have a way of sneaking up on their enemies and finishing them off when they least expect it. Like Republicans did to Democrats. Thank you Chaos, for the high compliment!
As Phantom Driver would say: Hooah!
Let's just take Garafalo along with dkfz and the others on his infamous list of misfits, give them a rainbow flag, and drop 'em into Iraq or Iran with a couple of naked gays getting it on on a float, and see how the Muslims react to them, after our troops have been brought home, shall we?
Jayson,
I don't know how many times I've been labled a "paid by the white poster" by liberal fanatics who can't argue without wild–name calling–rants, void of all intellect and facts of substance. And they have the gall to call themselves intellectuals? Puleese!
LIbs are losing big now, and this latest flub of theirs about getting Rove and/or Cheney is killing them because none of it was about the war in Iraq.
The lib media was lying all day long about it too, which proves their desperation. It also means they've lost big... again!
Nobody other than the shill libs are listening to them!
This is why all the cursing from the immature libs who clearly can't deal with reality!
dkfz in talking about me in a comment on my blog– here behind my back, said : "The first poster even starts by saying "You bring up a lot of good points...". But concludes by saying "That piece of mindless insult just distracts from all the good points you make". "And yet, on numerous occasions Ottmann has insisted that it was ME who was filled with hate."
NOTICE that the word "hate" in the above quote from my blog is NOT there, dkfz adds it later as his/her opinion.
While the facts I've laid out were a bit of a distraction, they were still correct on the whole and not based on hate, but observance and discernment, which liberals lack in totality.
Watch for my next post the charges against Libby, coming soon.
I said: "And yet, on numerous occasions Ottmann has insisted that it was ME who was filled with hate".
Ottman Responds: NOTICE that the word "hate" in the above quote from my blog is NOT there, dkfz adds it later as his/her opinion.
That's not a quote, it's a statement of fact! Here is an unaltered quote from your blog:
Ottmann said... The only thing you've proven is your avoidance of reality and the truth using made-up gossip and paranoid conspiracy theories created by liberal "think tank" (coffee shops) to keep "like-minded' fools steeped in hate.
Another Ottmann post: Put on all you want, it's garbage. Joe Conason? Puleese! Just another hateful liberal who has literally no clue about reality whatsoever... NONE, ZERO, NADA, ZIP!
YOU are the one filled with hate Ottmann -- it is incredibly obvious to anyone who reads anything you write!
For a post that was "behind your back" you certainly found, read, and responded to it fast enough! I knew you would. If you want to interpret my posting here as "behind your back -- that's fine with me -- I really don't care if I've hurt your feelings!
The lib media was lying all day long about it too, which proves their desperation.
There is no liberal media bias! That's Republican BS, as I've pointed out before.
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Order comes to this blog to cuss and rant and rave because he knows I will delete him if he uses his potty mouth on my blog. But he absolutely cannot manage to not swear for very long, so he comes to this blog where it will be allowed to stand.
Dfkz comes here to post behind your back. Hmmm... I think we got to them! :)
chaos: I got a new pic, took it last night. mabye this one wont be as frightening. I now know why you have your name, its because thats all your mind is! you should change it to order of chaos and hate, though. . .
How is posting on a blog from which I haven't been banned (yet) going behind someone's back?
You did "get to me", but not in the way you think. I'd read on Stephen Hanchett's and Peter Z's sites about people being deluded -- but hadn't experienced it firsthand -- until now. Ottmann, Phantom Driver, and Nightcrawler being the worst cases I've encountered. (Gayle, you're getting there.)
After reading your posts I can confidently say I am sure I am on the right "side". Thanks for that -- this experience has been enlightening.
for Ottmann...
Libby, the indictment against him concludes, received information from Cheney, the State Department and the CIA about covert CIA officer Valerie Plame, whose husband was attacking an administration unable to find any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Libby then spread the information to reporters and later concocted a story that his information had come from reporters, the indictment says.
Fitzgerald summed up the charges:
"At the end of the day what appears is that Mr. Libby's story that he was at the tail end of a chain of phone calls, passing on from one reporter what he heard from another, was not true. It was false. He was at the beginning of the chain of phone calls, the first official to disclose this information outside the government to a reporter. And then he lied about it afterward, under oath and repeatedly".
In the end, Libby was charged with five felonies alleging obstruction of justice, perjury to a grand jury and making false statements to FBI agents. If convicted, he could face a maximum of 30 years in prison and $1.25 million in fines.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051029/ap_on_go_pr_wh/cia_leak_reconstruction
Dude, Order of Chaos is a liberal who wants to make conservatives look bad. I think so anyway. He's very good at it, but it doesn't fool me. The insults and stupid arguments make him 100% left.
GRANPA OH HOW DID YOU AGE SO HORRIBLY! I WAS LOOKING FOR YOU ALL OVER.
Once I heard that the first mother likes to sleep with the horse and Katherine Harris. Kathy told me about it was beautiful. The first mother had the experience with Lynne Cheney just like her novel. Oh that was the greatest experience ever. For some reason it smelled like dead people and pea soup. I found out that it was done in the master room on the Kennebunkport hideaway and it did smelled like dead people and pea soup.
GAYLE! My flytrap won't come close to that old cheese of a site of yours. I think at that time yours would snap but without teeth. Damn it is hungry again maybe I would sacrifice more babies and send it to yale and so all of the bonesmen will do a sacrificial masturbation and send it to Monte Rio where they lynch and kill babies.
Oooookay.. order of chaos you have officially descended from inarticulate political ranting with a twist of truth to plain old vulgar attacks against people. Being fired up about a cause is one thing - but you're just immature and gross. Whatever your cause really is, you are a detriment to it.
As I have said time and time again, these conversations should be about mutally increasing our understanding of the truth and the world around us - your comments contribute nothing to this and only serve to widen the gaps that we should be closing.
btw order of chaos, you really think all that stuff is fake? well, here, for the america hater, heres his real sn: FreddieBulsara37. why dont you ask him if its real.
and for the bushisnantichrist reunion, heres the link to that one.
http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13075021&postID=112101063007269385
this accusation is laughable.
How about getting laid with your farm animal. BTW your pic is scaring me did you actually drank some booze last night it looks like you had been by a million uglies. You are what I say a fucking conspirator who have nothing to do but to post your arrogant smut. I don't care about your stupid links or that name you are just another stupid angsty kid who have issues about yourself as a self rigteous smug. Do you think you would have people feel pity because you are a conservative I don't think you are a conservative period. Just another brown nosed Bushite who cares about your stupid terrorist bullshit. Being a Bush sympathizer has nothing to do with conservatism. It shows you are fallible with your petty claims and if you want to fuck with the big boys of this little game then you should suck it up. I have seen your petty derogatory comments and lying about having a debate. Newsflash nobody cares about your stupid debate this is about protecting the constitution not destroying it. You know what you like to be complimented as a punk. You should get some help with a shrink with your angst about your parents.
It's just funny that all of those little 15 year old so called republicans think they are right and delude themselves about this petty little conservative/liberal bullshit. I don't affiliate myself with neither of them except for the constitution.
I am ready to fuck off and you need a life better than this petty little computer
It's just funny that all of those little 15 year old so called republicans think they are right and delude themselves about this petty little conservative/liberal bullshit. I don't affiliate myself with neither of them except for the constitution.
...Is this the sixth time I've been critisized for my age? That sounds about right.
Anyways, keep talking out your arse, it's really entertaining all of us. In fact, why don't you talk about me now? C'mon, tell me how I'm not really a Conservative, I'm just deluded. Or how me being 15 makes me an idiot.
Did ORDER OF CHAOS say you were deluded? I thought that was just me. Anyway, I'm glad to see you've taken my warnings seriously.
A quote from Cody's blog:
Cody Said... I don't care, I'm not going to change my mind no matter how many times you tell me he's an idiot, or a failure, or doesn't do anything right.
Sounds deluded to me.
I wouldn't call bush stupid... however... Below is a great article which shows how bush thinks. I think it describes him perfectly.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-chait5aug05,0,712059.column
How Bush Thinks: Intuition over Intellect
August 5 2005. By Jonathan Chait, latimes.com
As sombody who doesn't have the slightest feeling one way or another about baseball star Rafael Palmeiro, I have to say that it seems pretty clear Palmeiro has used steroids. Palmeiro recently tested positive for steroid use. And then there's former teammate Jose Canseco's allegation that he and Palmeiro both used steroids, which is impossible to verify but would seem to explain why Palmeiro's annual home run total nearly doubled after Canseco joined him on the Texas Rangers. None of this is ironclad proof, but it seems the simplest way to reconcile the available data.
President Bush, though, doesn't see it this way at all. When asked about Palmeiro's positive steroid test, Bush -- who knew Palmeiro when the president owned the Rangers -- replied, "Rafael Palmeiro is a friend. He testified in public and I believe him. He's the kind of person that's going to stand up in front of the Klieg lights and say he didn't use steroids, and I believe him".
This statement perfectly crystallizes Bush's thinking. Facts don't matter to him. What matters is how he feels about the person in question. In 2001, for instance, Bush met with Russian President Vladimir V. Putin, and the two hit it off. As Bush later told Peggy Noonan, Putin recounted to him a story involving a cross given to him by his mother.
I said to him, "You know, I found that story very interesting. You see, President Putin, I think you judge a person on something other than just politics. I think it's important for me and for you to look for the depth of a person's soul and character. I was touched by the fact your mother gave you the cross". Bush publicly testified of Putin, "I was able to get a sense of his soul".
Personally, I put less weight on the fact that Putin got a cross from his mother, and more on the fact that Putin has smothered Russian democracy by outlawing opposition parties, shut down any remotely skeptical media outlet and subjected his critics to political show trials. Yet this sort of evidence has had barely any effect on Bush. Two years later, he was still praising Putin's desire for "a country in which democracy and freedom and rule of law thrive".
Bush is even apt to apply this particular brand of illogic to his own character. In one of the 2000 presidential debates, Al Gore pointed out that Bush as governor of Texas opposed a measure to expand children's healthcare and instead used the money for a tax cut. The debate moderator then asked Bush, "Are those numbers correct? Are his charges correct?" To which Bush replied, "If he's trying to allege that I'm a hardhearted person and I don't care about children, he's absolutely wrong".
The style of Bush's reply is telling. Gore was trying to make a point about Bush's moral priorities by establishing a series of facts about Bush's behavior. Rather than deny having chosen tax cuts over children's healthcare, or explain his rationale for having done so, Bush changed the subject to more comfortable ground: judging people's hearts. He asked the audience to intuit, based on the way he carries himself, that he is a warmhearted person, and thus to reject out of hand any facts that might clash with this impression.
The point isn't just that Bush refuses to engage with facts he finds inconvenient. (Many fail that test.) It's that Bush rejects reason itself. Reason is a process by which we draw our broader conclusions from an accumulation of specific evidence. When the evidence changes ("Hey, this Putin guy seems to be squelching dissent"), our conclusions can also ("Perhaps he doesn't love democracy as much as he said he did!"). Bush, on the other hand, arrives at his beliefs through intuition. His supporters marvel at the unshakeable certainty of his convictions. Well, no wonder.
"Do you think you would have people feel pity because you are a conservative I don't think you are a conservative period."
Well, I dont see how someone acting like this could be human. You have nothing personal with me. I will be the bigger MAN and turn the cheek. You have nothing to say and nothing to back up the nothingness produced by the darkness of your heart. Do you have nothing else to do other than yell at some kid? You are truly pathetic. I encourage all not to respond to this person at all anymore, to have him be treated with neglect, like an uninvited guest or stray dog.
Amen, bc08 exactly what Ive been saying.
I just read some MORE delusional comments over on the "warzone" blog:
Cody Said... There's no doubt in my mind that their in Syria.
NO doubt??
http://www.isn.ethz.ch/news/sw/details.cfm?ID=8211
Iraq had no WMD program to give to Syria, says Kay. Former US weapons hunter David Kay tells the Senate Armed Services Committee that "we were almost all wrong" about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, and the possible "Syrian connection" hinted at in some media reports appears increasingly tenuous.
http://talkleft.com/new_archives/010488.html
Apologists for the Bush administration who cling desperately to the belief that Saddam Hussein really did have weapons of mass destruction have sometimes argued that the WMD's were spirited away to Syria before the United States invaded Iraq. A new report by the Iraq Survey Group rejects that theory as "unlikely".
The ISG report also said that 12 years of international sanctions against Baghdad after the Persian Gulf War had left Iraq's scientific community decimated and their skills in a state of "natural decay". The group added that it was unlikely that Iraq's scientists were capable of recreating the destroyed weapons programs, meaning Iraq would have possessed little, if anything, to transfer to anywhere.
FOOLS! (hurls on JAYSIN and Darkysaturated).
As Jayson Quoted I will be the bigger MAN and turn the cheek.
I cannot believe how nasty you can be with such a vile statement!
Yes Darksaturated Amen alright amen when the New World Order comes and injects us with RFID and Amen when our pitiful of a country would go bankrupt. Amen that you still fill in the bullshit in your eyes. Amen, Open your fucking EYES and open your motherfucking mind and find out what intuition really is so stop being a superficial whore. A MOTHERFUCKING MEN and HALLEJUAH
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Thank you Saint, for your kind comments. Chaos and Dkfz truly hate me and it means I have made them mad. That makes me extremely happy, so don't worry about my feelings being hurt. Ain't gonna happen. Nothing these two ever say will ever bother me or make me mad because people like them can do nothing but yell, cuss and spew utter nonsense. They have no agenda and present no case.
By the way Jason, I like your new picture. You do not look like you've been drinking; you look like you are thinking, something those two never do.
order of chaos.. I mean what in the hell is wrong with you? I may not always (or perhaps OFTEN) agree with Jayson, Gayle, Cody, or even dkfz, but at least, even if they don't always manage to keep a logical perspective on their arguments, they don't just resort to out and out disgusting name calling.
Any credibility that any of your arguments may have had, is gone because of your behaviour. If you honestly care about whatever cause you represent, then I suggest you stop posting immediately, as this is the clearly the best way you can help.
Cripes Gayle! I think you're an idiot, but I don't hate you -- I pity you. I reserve my hate for people who deserve it, not annoying nutty know-nothings who have no effect on my life what-so-ever. Hating you would truly be a waste of time.
You may not agree with my case against bush -- but to say that I haven't even made a case, or that I have yelled or cussed -- is complete nonsense. Continue spewing these lies -- you're only making yourself look stupid.
Hi Jayson,
Just thought I'd drop by for some reading. I see you've gotten attacked by the blinded dkfz imbecile. Glad you're ignoring him like Gayle and I are.
BTW, your picture looks like one of my old friends from when I was in H.S., oh so many years ago. I just had my 25th reunion. Amazing how fast time goes.
Anyway, it's also amazing how bad the libs have lost again in trying to get Rove and Cheney with Plamegate. The backfire on them is going to be a doozy!
My prediction: Wilson and/or Plame go to jail. Of course you'll never see it mentioned in LMSM as usual. Have you seen the new Book Exposing Al Franken, Hillary, Michael Moore Hits #2 on Amazon! exposing Michael Moore, Al Franken, and the lib democrats for the liars and hypocrites they are?
It's incredible that Moore has stock in Halliburton and many other BIG corporations he's supposedly so against. What a disgusting liar he is,... as are most liberals!
The libs like dkfz are incredible fools that Moore and Co. take advantage of for personal gain, and they have no clue about it. I can't wait to get that book.
I'll check back with you later. Hopefully dkfz will have wised up by then, but it's doubtful.
Followed Ottmann's link and found the following:
Do As I Say (Not As I Do) : Profiles in Liberal Hypocrisy (Hardcover)
From Publishers Weekly
While acknowledging that conservatives can be high-profile hypocrites as well, Schweizer employs a double standard, arguing that "when conservatives betray their publicly stated principles, they harm only themselves and their families", but when liberals misbehave, they harm their principles first and foremost. Schweizer clearly knows the limitations of his argument, since he backpedals from many of his most damning statements in his closing remarks. For all its revelations, in the end, this volume reads less like a critique of liberal philosophy than a catalogue of ammunition for ad hominem bloggers.
Sounds perfect for you Ottmann! It probably won't be long before you are incorporating ideas from the book into posts on your blog.
Some customer reviews:
As though we haven't had an avalanch of these "Liberals hate America" tomes we have to suffer yet another indignity by having Peter Schweizer's latest hatchet job foistered upon an unsuspecting American consumer? ...a sitting President whose approval numbers will soon be in single digits, that Conservatives seem intent upon reading temper-tantrums such as this. I would imagine all in hopes of keeping Americans blissfully unaware of what a disaster this current Republican administration truly is. It never ceases to amaze me how many Americans are susceptible to this nonsense but as P.T. Barnum once stated, "There's a sucker born every minute".
More right wing propaganda by sub-intelligent dishonest author. Schweizer puts forth ad hominem attacks, fallacious arguments, and borderline libelous assertions and calls them fact. Only the most uneducated, non-thinking, brainwashed person would believe anything in this book.
Ottmann: where does it say what the amazon ranking is? I am interested in what the ranking is for Al Franken's new book, The Truth (with jokes), is -- Which I am really looking forward to reading.
"The Truth (with jokes)" Amazon Review:
Nearly a year after the presidential election of 2004, Al Franken is still checking facts, exposing lies, and trying to clear the record. Sneering at President Bush's declaration of a mandate after a two-and-a-half percent victory, he deconstructs Bush's 2004 platform of "fear, smear, and queers", and explains how the president has done some flip-flopping of his own. He offers comment on well-known stories, including the Terri Shiavo case, and some more obscure, such as reports of forced prostitution, indentured servitude, and squalid conditions at clothing factories in Saipan (which is part of the American Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands). Franken focuses on Tom DeLay's connection to the territory and his efforts to prevent bills from being passed that would have required Saipan to follow U.S. labor laws. Iraq, too, is discussed, from its planning stages to the huge sum of money currently unaccounted for, including $8.8 billion missing from the Coalition Provisional Authority's coffers.
Recommended for readers interested in the truth (which obviously doesn't include Ottmann).
I can't stand Al Franken, I don't care what he calls himself. Exspecially where in this book "the truth (with jokes)" his jokes are
first there's a quicky impeachment
Bush starts drinking again
Cheney dies of a heart attack
If you think it would be funny to se the vice president die (Al obviously thinks it is), than you have some major problems.
Oh yeah, what I said is true, Al Franken was interviewed for this book on the Daily Show and those are the things he went over.
He didn't say Cheney dies... just that he has 8 heart attacks. Al Franken did NOT invent the Cheney heart attack gag -- you saying that he as "some major problems" because he used the heart attack joke is ridiculous. BTW, Al's new book is #1 on the NYT best seller's list.
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you saying that he as "some major problems" because he used the heart attack joke is ridiculous.
I am saying he has major problems for making that joke. Anybody who thinks it's funny to see someone in pain like that just because they are on the other side of the political spectrum is just disgusting to me.
I can't stress how much I loath Al Franken, but I would never want to see him have a heart attack, and if it were to happen I would not find it humorus.
So if you're going to stand up for him on that then I can fully understand how tolerant you neo-libs really are.
cheney should have been in hell by now
Anonymous said...
cheney should have been in hell by now
Oh wow, this post is a real gem.
Going back to neo-liberalism, everyone seems to loath the "neo-cons" who by dictionary definition are opposed to liberalism. Strangely enough, neo-liberalism doesn't have the definition of opposing conservatives, so I'm giving it that definition.
The way I see it is that the liberals hi-jacked the Democrats and the neo-liberals hi-jacked the liberals. There are very few Democrats who don't spend there time speaking against Republicans. The only one I can think of is Joe Liberman. Everyone else resembles Howard Dean and they say things like "Republicans can't make an honest living" and whatnot.
Anyways, people like this anonymous and dkfz are in my mind neo-liberals, not liberals. Because if they were liberals, they would do things for themselves (you know, have an agenda and things like that) instead of make fun of the way Bush talks like the neo-libs.
A liberal would say what is wrong with Cheney politically. A neo-lib would call for his death or laugh at the heart attack "gag".
neocons and neolibs are the same bs serving one master MAMMON!
oh and that star formation is the ISRAEL star from the Rothschilds. It's true that's how they made that blasphemous 6 star formation Cody.
OOOH I was the 69th post...
I would advise anonymous to get some serious help. One who hides behind an anyonmous name like a sniviling coward and is so pathetic that all they can do is go on political blogs and make dumb posts is in need of it.
It gets my jollies to see how deluded you are little boy I am not taking you seriously. Choke on some marshmallows along with your whole family. I will be calling in Rev Fred Phelps for this fun.
We can't be mean Robby. This guy is obviously having relashionship problems and got a few beers to cheer himself up. Right now he is in a state where he can't control what he types. Poor guy.
Choke on some marshmallows
See how the libs always sugercoat everything. He should have said go choke on a midieval flail.
ugh every time I see your image I see that filthy six pointed star...
A liberal would say what is wrong with Cheney politically
You want to know what's wrong with cheney politically? fine...
21 Reasons I don't like Dick Cheney
[1] Voted against the Equal Rights Amendment for women in 1983.
[2] Consistently opposed funding of Head Start and voted against creating the Department of Education.
[3] Opposed to abortion even in cases of rape and incest.
[4] Opposes gun control limits. He was one of just 21 members of Congress, in December of 1985, to vote against a ban on armor piercing bullets -- called cop killer bullets. Three years later he was one of only four members of the House voting against a ban on plastic guns that could slip through airport security machines undetected. The National Rifle Association did not even oppose this ban. In 1988, Cheney voted to scrap a proposed national seven-day waiting period on handgun purchases.
[5] Consistently voted to raise military spending.
[6] Supported aid to the Nicaraguan Contras, even after a moratorium on funding was passed.
[7] Opposed refunding the Clean Water Act. He voted to postpone sanctions slapped on air polluters that failed to meet pollution standards. And he voted against legislation to require oil, chemical and other industries from making public records of emissions known to cause cancer, birth defects, and other chronic diseases.
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/04/07/0236207&mode=thread&tid=5
[8] Voted to cut public housing & mortgage subsidies.
http://blog.democrats.com/node/3617/print
Cheney’s votes on key welfare & housing bills in Congress: Voted YES to cut back public housing construction (1986), Voted NO to subsidize home mortgage rates (1982), Voted NO to legal services reauthorization (1981), Voted NO to strengthen fair housing laws (1980).
[9] Voted against making the Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s birthday a national holiday
[10] Conducted business deals with Iraq while head of Halliburton -- which he later lied about.
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/sanction/iraq1/oilforfood/2001/0627chen.htm
During the 2000 presidential campaign, Richard B. Cheney acknowledged that the oil-field supply corporation he headed, Halliburton Co., did business with Libya and Iran through foreign subsidiaries. But he insisted that he had imposed a "firm policy" against trading with Iraq. "Iraq's different", he said. According to oil industry executives and confidential United Nations records, however, Halliburton held stakes in two firms that signed contracts to sell more than $73 million in oil production equipment and spare parts to Iraq while Cheney was chairman and chief executive officer of the Dallas-based company.
[11] PNAC member, One of the chief architects behind Iraq invasion which has resulted in the deaths of 2000 american soldiers (and counting).
http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_louise_010603_pnac.html
The blueprint for our current foreign policy was being written back in 1992 by then-Defense Secretary, Dick Cheney. His writings set out a new doctrine that called for U.S. power in the twentieth century, to be that of an aggressive and unilateral approach that would secure American dominance of world affairs by force if necessary. This "peace through strength" policy has been unfolding from the day Bush, Jr. took office; the strategic planning of it was done during the Clinton administration with funding from the military-industrial complex, energy companies, and right-wing foundations. Over time, those working on these new plans evolved into PNAC, established in 1997 with members Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and Paul Wolfowitz at the helm.
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/pnac_timeline.htm
In September of 2000 a 90 page Rebuilding America's Defences: Strategies, Forces And Resources For A New Century, is written by the Project for the New American Century. It calls for unprecedented hikes in military spending, American military bases in Central Asia and Middle East, toppling of non-complying regimes, abrogation of international treaties, control of the world's energy sources, militarization of outer space, total control of cyberspace, and the willingness to use nuclear weapons to achieve "American" goals.
"The process of transformation", the plan said, "is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event -- like a new Pearl Harbor". American Free Press asked Christopher Maletz, asst. director of the PNAC about what was meant by the "need for a new Pearl Harbor": "They needed more money to up the defense budget for raises, new arms, and future capabilities," Maletz said. "Without some disaster or catastrophic event," neither the politicians nor the military would have approved.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/oct2003/pbs-o16.shtml
A plan to invade Iraq had been drawn up long before the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. It had been developed nearly a decade earlier by right-wing elements who had wanted to see Baghdad overrun as part of the 1991 Gulf War. The elder President Bush at the time feared the worldwide impact of such action, particularly when the pretext for that war was to defend the sovereignty of Kuwait. He was also not unmindful that the Soviet Union, while on its last legs, still existed, with a nuclear arsenal capable of challenging the United States. Going to war to achieve it [the plan to overthrow Saddam Hussein] was not politically feasible until after September 11, 2001.
Bush told his cabinet that to justify war on Iraq, they would have to find a link between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda. A few days later, Assistant Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz ordered the establishment of a "Special Intelligence Office" within the Defense Department to look for just such a connection, bypassing the Defense Intelligence Agency and the CIA, neither of which could be relied upon to come to the predetermined conclusion.
Within a month, reports surfaced about a meeting between September 11th hijacker Mohammed Atta and an Iraqi agent in the Czech capital of Prague. The film (PBS’s "Truth, War and Consequences") shows an excerpt from a September 2002 speech in which Cheney repeated this claim, long after it was debunked by Czech intelligence. The FBI had also already confirmed that Atta was in Virginia on the April 1, 2001, date that the meeting supposedly took place.
[12] Ignored Bush’s call for charity.
http://blog.democrats.com/node/3617/print
Charity has been an important theme in the 2000 Bush-Cheney campaign, in part as a substitute for government programs. "We must rally the armies of compassion", Bush has repeatedly told audiences. Cheney bristled at questions about donating less than 1% of his income to charity in light of Bush’s call to substitute giving for government activism. "You can disagree with that", he told reporters about his level of giving over the past 10 years. "I thought it was appropriate".
[13] Cheney, as head of the National Energy Policy Development Group, met with energy industry executives, including former Enron chairman Kenneth L. Lay, and ignored environmental groups in shaping the administration's energy policies. The 2005 Energy bill includes $14.5 billion in tax breaks and incentives to the energy industry.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/29/AR2005102900573.html
[14] Cheney to Treasury: "Deficits don't matter"
http://www.issues2000.org/2004/Dick_Cheney_Budget_+_Economy.htm
Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill was told "deficits don't matter" when he warned of a looming fiscal crisis.
O'Neill, fired in a shakeup of Bush's economic team in December 2002, raised objections to a new round of tax cuts and said the president balked at his more aggressive plan to combat corporate crime after a string of accounting scandals because of opposition from "the corporate crowd", a key constituency.
O'Neill said he tried to warn Vice President Dick Cheney that growing budget deficits-expected to top $500 billion this fiscal year alone-posed a threat to the economy. Cheney cut him off. "You know, Paul, Reagan proved deficits don't matter," he said, according to excerpts. Cheney continued: "We won the midterms (congressional elections). This is our due." A month later, Cheney told the Treasury secretary he was fired.
[15] Closed down the Rudman-Hart Commission, placing terrorism on the "back burner" ("Worse than Watergate" by John Dean, p. 109)
[16] Lied about the al Quaeda, Iraq, 9/11 connection.
http://www.prwatch.org/spin/June_2004.html
The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States reported, "We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated". Will Bush administration officials and other Republican politicians now stop saying there's a connection? "Hell no!" replied one official, when asked whether Dick Cheney would retract his recent statement that Saddam Hussein had "long established ties with al Qaeda." George Bush maintained, "The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda [is] because there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda." House GOP members are also sticking to their story. "The common link is that they hate America," said Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen. According to Rep. Chris Shays, al Qaeda and Iraq are "like peas in a pod." Rep. Dana Rohrabacher did admit, in response to a question about the wisdom of hyping a highly conjectural Osama bin Laden -- Saddam Hussein link, "Was it a well-thought out sales pitch? Probably not".
[17] Blocked 9/11 Investigation ("Worse than Watergate" by John Dean, p. 111)
[18] War Profiteering. Halliburton stock options increased 3281% in single year!
http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=99693
Mounting criticisms of war profiteering by Halliburton have apparently struck a chord with Vice President Cheney. At an otherwise congenial photo session earlier this week, the vice president lashed out at Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT) for his pursuit of the matter, in addition to discussions about judicial nominees, bluntly telling Leahy, "F--k yourself", according to aides who witnessed the exchange. Leahy and others are investigating charges that Halliburton overcharged the U.S. government millions of dollars for Iraq services and may have received improper assistance in winning contracts. Cheney's office confirmed the vice president's coarse phrasing but offered no apologies or explanation for his untoward behavior.
[19] War Crimes.
http://counterpunch.org/stephens05202004.html
First these officials (bush administration) conspired to start an unlawful war of aggression, justified by lies. Then they carried out their illegal conspiracy. It included unlawful killing of thousands of Iraqi civilians, destruction of civilian infrastructure, and use of weapons of mass destruction like cluster bombs and depleted uranium against the civilian population of Iraq. Throughout this conspiracy, they have implemented policies and practices for unlawful arrests, detention, interrogation, beatings, abuse, humiliation and torture, in violation of fundamental human rights protected by law. As a result of their misconduct, the dangers of international terrorism have been severely inflamed, international friends and allies turned away, and the security of our people imperiled. The true aims of the administration are revealed in its legally required policy statement to Congress of September 20, 2002, when it stated that the awful crimes against humanity of September 11, 2001 in New York and Washington, DC "opened vast, new opportunities". (The National Security Strategy of the United States," Section VIII, Development Agendas for Cooperative Action with the Other Main Centers of Global Power) In seizing these "opportunities" to enrich their corporate supporters and increase their own power through aggression, the top officials of this administration have committed "high crimes and misdemeanors" that justify their removal from office and their criminal punishment under law.
[20] "Offended" by Amnesty International's condemnation of the United States for what it called "serious human rights violations" at Guantanamo Bay.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/30/cheney.amnestyintl/
"For Amnesty International to suggest that somehow the United States is a violator of human rights, I frankly just don't take them seriously", he said in an interview that aired Monday night on CNN's "Larry King Live".
If Cheney is against the US violating human rights then why propose the following:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/24/AR2005102402051.html
Cheney Plan Exempts CIA From Bill Barring Abuse of Detainees. The Bush administration has proposed exempting employees of the Central Intelligence Agency from a legislative measure endorsed earlier this month by 90 members of the Senate that would bar cruel and degrading treatment of any prisoners in U.S. custody. McCain, the principal sponsor of the legislation, rejected the proposed exemption at the meeting with Cheney, according to a government source who spoke without authorization and on the condition of anonymity. McCain spokeswoman Eileen McMenamin declined to comment. But the exemption has been assailed by human rights experts critical of the administration's handling of detainees in Iraq and Afghanistan.
[21] Cheney, Libby, and Rove decided to smear Joe Wilson because he correctly identified the Niger uranium documents as forgeries.
http://www.sundayherald.com/35264
Some time after the Iraqi ambassador's trip to Niger, the Italian intelligence service came into possession of forged documents claiming Saddam was after Niger uranium. We now know these documents were passed to MI6 and then handed by the British to the office of US Vice-President Dick Cheney. The forgeries were then used by Bush and Blair to scare the British and Americans and to box both Congress and Parliament into supporting war. There are an increasing number of claims suggesting Bush and Blair knew these documents were forged when they used them as evidence that Saddam Hussein was putting together a nuclear arsenal.
http://www.democrats.org/a/2005/10/stonewall_day_9.php
Investigators Now Focused on Cheney. "A special counsel is focusing on whether Vice President Dick Cheney played a role in leaking a covert CIA agent's name, according to people familiar with the probe that already threatens top White House aides Karl Rove and Lewis Libby. The special counsel, Patrick Fitzgerald, has questioned current and former officials of President George W. Bush's administration about whether Cheney was involved in an effort to discredit the agent's husband, Iraq war critic and former U.S. diplomat Joseph Wilson, according to the people".
Well, this shows how utterly nuts the liberals like dkfz are, using bias leftist critics to give them bashing points for everything they say here, as they have no original thoughts of their own.
BTW dkfz, most conservatives and Republican's already know who the liars are, so the book about the libs won't sell as good as the suckers who buy Franken's lies.
Let 'em keep following liars like Moore, Streisand, Franken etc., as they fall further into mindlessness from frustration at losing so bad, up to and including '06-'08.
They haven't gotten it into their heads they lost the majority a long time ago, and everyone else is laughing at 'em with every desperate political stunt they attempt.
Note to liberal friend, dkfz from MoveOn.org.
Bush's newest poll numbers are at 10% and plummeting fast. By tomorrow according to our analysis, they'll be at -50. Be sure to tell everyone in your group to call the media ten times a day and make them repeat it every 15 minutes.
Thank you.
The libs are so filled with anger and hatred, they don't even know when they're being used, because they're driven by the master of hatred himself.
You got to hand it to Micky Moore and Al Frankenstein who really know suckers when they see 'em. Throw together as much nonesense as possible, spin everthing while bashing the president and get rich taking the liberal fools money. It's brilliant, but also very evil.
The world is torn between good and evil. Liberals are working in Satan's arena, and somewhere in the corner of their narrow minds, they're beginning to realize it too, but they can't help themselves because they are of this world, which for them is as good as it will ever get.
they're beginning to realize it too
No I'm not. How could I possibly begin to realize that the conserative lies are true? I know that's how your type opperates -- repeat a lie often enough and people will believe it... but I'm not falling for it.
Your posts are laughable -- they do a excellent job of showing who the real nut is.
Nice spin there dkfz. Now see if you can spin this too, ok?...
This might, just might convince liberals of the need to fight against Radical Muslims and why Iraq was targeted in the first place.
Notice that Bush had nothing to do with any of the fighting going on in France, where there's now compelling evidence of how socialism fails.
Of course liberals will somehow blame Bush for it all because they're so damn stupid.
Read it for yourself here... WHY PARIS IS BURNING
This proves that nobody is immune from Islamic wackoism, and why this is a global fight. The one world religion is coming sooner than you realize.
Time to get ready for the rise of "Mr. Peace" from the EU (Revived Roman Empire).
This might, just might convince liberals of the need to fight against Radical Muslims and why Iraq was targeted in the first place.
Liberals never said we shouldn't fight radical Muslims. But, no, Iraq was a "mistake", as terrorism has only increased as a result. Maybe the high level of unemployment has something to do with the problems described in the article you linked to?? What's your solution (to the problem described in the article)? The police should open fire with their machine guns?
I put "mistake" in quotes because invading Iraq was, of course, no mistake. It is all part of the Antichrist bush's plan.
For those who want to know the real truth about how liberals lie constantly... Read The real Michael Moore,
Working-class hero image is carefully scripted
What the libs don't know is that everyone else knows all about them, and moore soon will!
dkfz,
The riots in France had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAR in Iraq. The wacko muslimes started it because two of 'em accidently got electrocuted and the crazies went ballistic. NONE of that was Bush's doing. Don't you remember France was not a participant in the war? Duh!
The AC can't possibly be Bush ya dopehead. America isn't the Revived Roman Empire, and geographically can't be.
Javier Solana has just made a deal (covenant?) with Israel to provide their "security." Read about it... Here and Here.
You're going to be very surprised if you realize who the real AC will be when he steps up to offer peace for the world. Bush surely hasn't, which blows your entire view, and website to bits.
It's pointless to argue with someone who can't stop lying. I grow tired of your delusions. You are only damning yourself.
You may very well be insane. You are certainly exibiting clear symptoms. The evidence:
Ottmann says... Notice that Bush had nothing to do with any of the fighting going on in France.
In my post immediately following Ottmann's, I do not disagree with this statement.
Ottmann's next post... dkfz, The riots in France had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAR in Iraq.
I guess he's talking to me, since he uses my ID, but as I pointed out -- I never disagreed with that statement. Ottmann, you're clearly delusional. My advice: Have yourself committed immediately.
Nice try again dkfz. You know damn well that you blame Bush for everything, but can't make the connection of evidence pointing elsewhere, even if you claim to not say so. We on the right don't tell lies, the libs just can't handle the truth, which they call lies. Heck, the book about Moore etc. should make you realize that, but alas you won't accept reality when it's put right in front of you.
Clearly dkfz, you've lost on all counts and have nothing but shrill spins to offer here, which are becoming quite tiresome. No wonder everyone is ignoring you, as I will too!
I read the 21 reasons to hate Cheney, I agree that about 4 of them are good reasons.
Just so you know, Michael Moore is making just as much "blood money" as Cheney as he has stocks just like Cheney does. But you wouldn't hate HIM for that would you?
Anonymous said...
ugh every time I see your image I see that filthy six pointed star...
Where the hell do you live? Iran? Your bullcrap isn't going to make me take of my avitar, if you don't like the US seal then that's your problem.
Just so you know, Michael Moore is making just as much "blood money" as Cheney as he has stocks just like Cheney does.
I assume you are referring to "War Profiteering" -- Cheney doesn't JUST own Halliburton stock! He formally ran the company, and now he is steering no-bid contracts their way -- and profiting IMMENSELY himself. It is a CLEAR conflict of interest!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/11/03/BU231196.DTL
Cheney previously served as chief executive officer of Halliburton, the Dallas oil-services giant. Less well-known is that Halliburton owns a subsidiary called Kellogg, Brown & Root, which is one of the Defense Department's leading contractors.
KBR, as the company's called, is profiting handsomely from America's war on terror. Among other things, it's responsible for feeding most of the troops at Bagram Air Base, the U.S. military's headquarters in Afghanistan.
KBR's contract to provide support services for the Army lasts 10 years and contains no limit on spending. It could end up being worth billions. KBR has a similar deal with the Navy.
In July, the government announced that KBR had been awarded a $9.7 million contract to build an additional 204-unit detention center at the U.S. military base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where hundreds of "enemy combatants" have been held since January.
This is on top of $16 million received by KBR in February to get the Guantanamo prison facility off the ground, as well as another $7 million in April to expand the compound.
Cheney plays a central role in shaping Washington's response to the Sept. 11 attacks. A company he once ran benefits directly from the government's actions.
"You can't get a clearer example of conflict of interest", said Bill Allison, managing editor for the Center for Public Integrity, a nonpartisan government watchdog group in Washington, DC.
Cheney retired from Halliburton in August 2000. He received $4.3 million in deferred compensation that year, plus $806,332 in salary. He subsequently sold more than $40 million in stock options.
Even though he's no longer in Halliburton's executive suite, Cheney reported on his 2001 tax return that he received nearly $1.6 million in deferred compensation from the company the previous year.
Cheney is still receiving deferred compensation from Halliburton, but neither the company nor the White House would specify how large his payment will be this year or how long the payments will continue.
This is cash that he's already earned. Yet it's also cash that Halliburton is accruing in part from its activities in Guantanamo Bay and Afghanistan.
"He's receiving money from the government and money from a private-sector company with government contracts," said Allison. "Whose payroll is he on?"
The answer: Both of them. And that couldn't be right. [end article quote]
If Micahel Moore owns stock in Halliburton I don't have a problem with that. There is no conflict of interest for Michael Moore to own Halliburton stock. Halliburton's going to be raking in the profits (thanks to Cheney) regardless of whether or not Michael Moore owns any of their stock. I'd rather some of that money go to a Democrat than to another Republican. Apparently Ottmann thinks that rich Democrats need to give all their money away to prove a point. Money equals power -- and I certainly would not want to live in a world where the Republicans had all the power.
I read the 21 reasons to hate Cheney, I agree that about 4 of them are good reasons.
Which 4?
Another reason to hate Cheney... he opposes the addition of legeslation that would outlaw war prisoner abuse to the current military funding package, as he wants the CIA to be exempt. Basically, even though it's proven that torture does not produce credible informaiton from prisoners, he wants the US to basically have the soul right to continually abuse and deny the rights of WHOEVER the GOVERNMENT deems an enemy or the State.
BTW, the legislation (proposed by McCain) is fully supported by the Senate and House, but Bush has promised to veto it when it comes across his desk.
Who are these assholes that have hijacked our government?
Oh, and McCain would know a thing or two about human rights and POW treatment.
Where as Cheney took five deferments and avoided actual war altogether.
One other point. Michael Moore is not an elected official.
Nor is Franken.
There in lies the rub.
Drew,
Good point, but Cheney has served the government in a high capacity for decades. Moore and Franken have only taken advantage of Cheney's hard work by their distorted criticisms of him for their own personal gain.
Now, IF there is a difference between the methods being used by Moore, Franken, Harry Reid and his democrat comrades and that of al-Qaeda, it is a difference without much of a distinction.
The goals are the same. Using fear to bring about political change that cannot be brought about by popular support. ie: Dems being in the minority (maybe permanentely).
Terrorists use terror to invoke fear. Moore, Franken, Reid and his comrades use disinformation, ie: LIES!.
The result is that many Americans now fear they have been duped into war by an out-of-control administration. As if the 17 UN Resolutions, the invasion of Kuwait, the decade-long air war in the no-fly zone and the former near-unanimous agreement by both sides for regime change in Iraq occurred in a parallel universe.
As if all the descriptions from high ranking democats of Saddam's WMD's during the '90's and before the war somehow never happened.
Or, as if, as is so often-repeated it becomes a truism devoid of fact, 'there were no weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq' -- which of course is not true. US forces have discovered Sarin, mustard gas and 500 tons of Uranium. NYT
Both Charles Duelfur and David Kay's investigations concluded Iraq had "a clandestine network of laboratories and safe houses with equipment that was suitable to continuing its prohibited chemical- and biological-weapons [BW] programs. They found a prison laboratory where we suspect they tested biological weapons on human subjects," said the report.
They found equipment for "uranium-enrichment centrifuges" whose only plausible use was as part of a clandestine nuclear-weapons program. In all these cases, "Iraqi scientists had been told before the war not to declare their activities to the U.N. inspectors," one ISG official said.
One can spin the facts until they are dizzy, but no matter how hard they are spun, when the spinning is over, the facts remain unchanged.
Does anyone seriously believe that Bush’s then-Secretary of State Colin Powell would deliberately deceiving the American people when he made his spectacularly convincing speech against Saddam before the United Nations on Feb. 5, 2003, just weeks prior to the war?
Powell’s major accusation, that Iraq was awash in WMD, came from CIA Director George Tenet, who had also served as Bill Clinton’s CIA director in the last four years of the Clinton presidency.
George Bush had been assured by Tenet that there was “slam dunk” evidence against Saddam, so the secretary of State descended upon the CIA in Mclean, Va., spending four difficult days sifting through the intelligence, sometimes with his deputy, Richard Armitage.
To listen to the Useful Idiots out there, Moore, Franken, Streisand, Reid, Kennedy, Boxer, Clinton etc., et al, America has more to fear from its own government than it does from al-Qaeda's terrorists. (Useful to the Left's agenda. But even more useful to al-Qaeda's).
It all began with the declaration that Iraq would be 'George Bush's Vietnam'.
It has been echoed in the halls of liberalism so many times by the likes of Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, Jay Rockefeller, Dick Durbin, the Hollywood Useful Idiot Elite, etc., etc. ad nauseum that nobody seems to recall the prophet who first gave it utterance.
It was Osama bin Laden.
The Creative Conservative
Good point, but Cheney has served the government in a high capacity for decades.
What? Because he's been serving the government for decades he gets a pass when he uses those connections to enrich himself?! I think that is the only reason he ever served in government was so he could use those connections to bring in the $$ afterwards!
Now, IF there is a difference between the methods being used by Moore, Franken, Harry Reid and his democrat comrades and that of al-Qaeda, it is a difference without much of a distinction.
A better comparrison would be between Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al and Al Qaeda -- their methods both result in people getting killed.
The result is that many Americans now fear they have been duped into war by an out-of-control administration.
Maybe because that is exactly what happened?!
As if all the descriptions from high ranking democats of Saddam's WMD's during the '90's and before the war somehow never happened.
Those WMDs were destroyed.
Or, as if, as is so often-repeated it becomes a truism devoid of fact, 'there were no weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq' -- which of course is not true.
I think you should hold a press conference and disclose this information immediately! They spent quite a bit of time looking, and finally gave up -- I'm sure bush will be mighty grateful to you Ottmann!
Does anyone seriously believe that Bush’s then-Secretary of State Colin Powell would deliberately deceiving the American people when he made his spectacularly convincing speech against Saddam before the United Nations on Feb. 5, 2003, just weeks prior to the war?
No, I think he believed what he was saying at the time. He is no longer a part of this administration because he found out he had been lied to. Why do you think he now refers to his UN speech as a blot on his record?
One other point. Michael Moore is not an elected official. Nor is Franken.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/state/2004-05-02-franken-senate_x.htm
Franken says he's more likely than not to run for U.S. Senate in '08
Comedian and liberal talk show host Al Franken put the odds of a challenge against Sen. Norm Coleman (R-MN), in 2008 at better than 50-50, and said he would make a decision by late next year.
Franken recently bought a town house in Minneapolis and announced he will transplant his popular "Air America" radio fest from New York City to his native state.
As an adult, he was friends with the late Sen. Paul Wellstone, a Minnesota Democrat who died in a plane crash a week and a half before the 2002 election. Coleman, who had been in a nasty campaign with Wellstone, went on to defeat former Vice President Walter Mondale who replaced Wellstone on the ticket. [end article quote]
I hope he wins. He would make an excellent senator.
Drew said... Oh, and McCain would know a thing or two about human rights and POW treatment.
Relevant article:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/1105mccain-torture05.html
McCain vows to add torture ban to all major Senate legislation
Nov. 5, 2005. by John Hendren, Los Angeles Times
Washington -- Girding for a potential fight with the Bush administration, supporters of a ban on torturing prisoners of war by U.S. interrogators threatened Friday to include the prohibition in nearly every bill the Senate considers until it becomes law.
The no-torture wording, which proponents say is supported by majorities in both houses of Congress, was included last month in the Senate's version of a defense spending bill. The measure's final form is being negotiated with the House, and the White House is pushing for either a rewording or deletion of the torture ban.
On Friday, at the urging of Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), the Senate by a voice vote added the ban to a related defense bill as a backup. Speaking from the Senate floor, McCain said, "If necessary -- and I sincerely hope it is not -- I and the co-sponsors of this amendment will seek to add it to every piece of important legislation voted on in the Senate until the will of a substantial bipartisan majority in both houses of Congress prevails. Let no one doubt our determination".
Bush initially threatened to veto the "must-pass" spending bill for the Pentagon if it contained the Senate provision. Later, he sought simply to exempt the CIA from the ban. McCain called that proposal "totally unacceptable".
Some other recent stories I was made aware of thanks to an email newsletter I subscribe to: Bush Headline News.
Cheney Torture Mastermind November 4, 2005.
Another shocking accusation by former administration insider Lawrence Wilkerson appears to be going under the media radar today. On NPR yesterday, the former chief of staff to the secretary of state said that he had uncovered a "visible audit trail" tracing the practice of prisoner abuse by U.S. soldiers directly back to Vice President Cheney's office.
Cheney Torture Mastermind, Audio Clip
Steve Inskeep talks with Larry Wilkerson, former chief of staff for former Secretary of State Colin Powell, about the influence of Vice President Dick Cheney's office over Iraq war policy. Wilkerson claims the vice president and others bypassed the rest of the government to control key decisions.
Twenty questions about impeaching a vice president. November 4, 2005.
Smoking Gun on Manipulation of Iraq Intelligence? "NY Times" Cites New Document November 05, 2005. By E&P Staff
Concerning the Theft of the 2004 Election (I've tried several times, but that thread no longer wants to load)
Kerry: Congress Ignoring Election Fraud November 6, 2005.
Sen. John Kerry, the Democratic presidential candidate in 2004, has told acquaintances over the past year that he suspects that the election was stolen, but that he didn’t challenge the official results because he lacked hard proof and anticipated a firestorm of criticism if he pressed the point.
500 TONS of Uranium were uncovered in Iraq, as was Sarin and Mustard Gas. All after Saddam was defeated. This was a rare admittance by the New York Times last year.
Yes, I have the link, but it is clear that dkfz/drew's liberal brainwashing is complete, so their is no reason for any response to their wrong and massively bias info.
I love it that Kerry sounds as bad Gore about their respective election losses. For all the good Gore's whiney lies did democrats in '02 and '04, it looks like the GOP will gain even more seats in '06 with Kerry's sore loser accusations.
I can just hear Kerry in '08 claiming Bush stole the election 4 years prior. Maybe he'll make it the center piece of his campaign like he did his Vietnam duty.... LOL!
Are you talking about the 500 tons of uranium from Niger?
http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20030320.html
The Bush administration has also cited documents that purportedly showed that Iraq tried to buy 500 tons of uranium from Niger. But, again, as The New Republic and Washington Post, amongst others, have noted, the documents, which Secretary of State Colin Powell presented to the United Nations in a February presentation, have also been found to be false by the IAEA. As Peter Beinart stated in The New Republic, the documents were in fact revealed to be "crude forgeries".
Ottmann YOU are the one who is brainwashed!
Okay, first of all, Ottman - you need to stop posting, because you are doing absolutely nothing for your cause whatsoever besides making conservatives look like a bunch of crazy, ignorant war-mongers with a lot of stupid opinions that have no facts to back them up.
I get that you disagree with dkfz, that much is obvious to anyone on here, but for cripe's sake, provide an argument that comes from somewhere other than your anal cavity - show us some solid sources. Your "I have the link but I'm not going to provide it because dkfz probably wouldn't be interested" bullcrap is just that - bullcrap. It says one thing "I really made up this theory myself but don't want anyone to know that."
I would have to agree with dkfz that in your case, you are under a STRONG delusion that every little thought that floats through your transom is the gospel truth, with no consideration of actual fact.
Please say something intelligent, that has a basis in reality, and do your best to prove it. Or go away.
No, I don't want to see it. I know for a fact that he can produce a link which states what he is saying is true. While googling for my answer (above) I found articles which said uranium WAS found -- AND articles which said it WASN'T found. Obviously someone is lying. Or deluded.
I think this would have been BIG BIG news in the conservatively biased media. It was not. If true, why hasn't bush been talking up the WMD that they found as much as he mentions 9/11?? Does any sane person think he wouldn't mention the WMD they found in Iraq in EVERY SINGLE SPEECH from that point forward??
You know damn well why he hasn't mentioned the WMD that was found in Iraq -- BECAUSE NONE WAS FOUND!
Saint (?),
There is no amount of proof that you'll consider valid that doesn't come from the far left losers like Moore and Franken. The facts I've provided are based on reality, not some wacked out conspiracy garbage from paranoid (group minded) liberals. I could provide links to everything, but it won't matter as you stay stuck on stupid and ignore them. I noticed that you didn't dispute anything I wrote because you can't dispute the logics and facts provided without resorting to immature name calling and emotional outbursts.
As for dkfz, his stuff is futile as he continues sucking up the lies of the liberal media. For proof of that, let's use the "bad" economy as an example of liberal bias in the media. (LInks provided).
The economy has been growing at a very strong clip since October 2001. Real estate prices are at their highest levels in history, as are homeownership and Americans’ average net worth. Unemployment also is lower than the average during any of the past three decades. Yet liberals are very down, and one third even think the economy is in a recession. Is consistently negative liberal media coverage influencing public attitudes? Might headlines like “Job growth less than expected” and “Jobs come up weak” have something to do with the gloom being felt across the country by the left?
The Labor Department announced unemployment numbers for October on November 4, and despite a decline in this rate and an addition to payrolls, the media reported the gains as “surprisingly meager,” “stalled,” “damped,” and “disappointing.”
As measured by the gross domestic product, the economy has now grown by 3 percent or more for 10 straight quarters – a feat that hasn't been achieved since the mid-’80s and never occurred during the “boom” years of the ’90s. The unemployment rate now stands at 4.9 percent.
But consumer confidence as measured by the Conference Board, a non-profit economic research and forecasting organization, is at 85, its lowest reading since October 2003 when unemployment was 20 percent higher than it is today. At the same time, according to Scott Rasmussen of Rasmussen Reports, "34 percent believe the U.S. is in a recession." And, a recent ABC News/Washington Post poll stated that 61 percent of Americans disapprove of the way President Bush is handling the economy.
Regardless of what economic data is released by the various government agencies responsible for such things, the media tend to report it as bad news. When Clinton was office, the same media reported far worse numbers as being great news.
When the press make pessimistic predictions that don’t pan out, rarely will they revisit them or explain why they were wrong. And when data is reported that is better than expected, the press will often downplay it by suggesting that the numbers are preliminary but could be revised lower later. When such revisions actually improve the picture originally depicted, this too is largely ignored.
Some examples from coverage of the latest jobs numbers:
* “Job growth was surprisingly meager last month, the Labor Department reported yesterday, in a sign that business executives have become worried that the economic damage from high energy prices might be growing.” The New York Times
* “U.S. job growth stalled last month, the Labor Department reported yesterday, suggesting that employers remained cautious about hiring because of high energy prices.” The Washington Post
* “The nation's job market rebounded last month from hurricane-related losses, although the payroll gain was far below expectations as high energy prices may have damped hiring in regions not directly hit by the storms, the government reported Friday.” The Los Angeles Times
* “Job growth resumed in October but came in well below economists' forecasts, due to softness in the labor market nationwide, rather than disruptions from Hurricane Katrina.” CNN/Money
These same media outlets completely ignored their own gloomy and, as it turns out, faulty predictions made for the labor markets and the economy shortly after Katrina hit New Orleans. For example, as reported by The Free Market Project, the Los Angeles Times’ Joel Havemann wrote on September 3, 2005: “Katrina's effects — not only on the Gulf Coast regions where it struck but also on the national economy via higher energy prices and disrupted ports — could result in the loss of as many as 500,000 jobs.”
Nell Henderson of the Washington Post wrote the same day: “Hurricane Katrina, by forcing an exodus of workers and families from New Orleans and surrounding areas, appears likely to rank alongside Sept. 11, 2001, and the Arab oil embargo of 1973 as one of the nation's most serious and sudden economic shocks – particularly in terms of job losses – in recent memory.”
However, when the September unemployment report came in much better than the media had been forecasting – showing a loss of only 35,000 non-farm payroll jobs instead of the hundreds of thousands that were forecast – the press downplayed this number by stating that it was too early to tell just what the real impact of Katrina was. Here’s how CNN/Money categorized the September data: “Still, economists cautioned that it was premature to say damage to the job market from Katrina was minimal, noting it could take months to assess the full impact of the storm.”
Well, it’s now a month later, and the September report indeed was revised – for the better. Instead of what many predicted in the press, the Labor Department’s November 4 announcement showed that the nation lost only 8,000 non-farm payroll jobs in September as opposed to the 35,000 initially reported. Add to that 56,000 jobs created in October. Adjusting the October gains with the September losses, that means 48,000 new non-farm payroll positions have been added since Katrina and Rita devastated the Gulf Coast – instead of the hundreds of thousands that Americans were told by the media would be lost.
Nevertheless, Americans turned on their television sets the evening of November 4 to hear Brian Williams of NBC’s “Nightly News” state:
“Back here at home this busy Friday night, news on the economy and the job market, still struggling to recover from a brutal hurricane season. Employers boosted payrolls by just 56,000 last month. That's well short of what economists were forecasting.”
And, they opened their Saturday newspapers to learn why getting too large of a raise can actually be bad for them. As reported by the Associated Press’s Jeannine Aversa:
“A wage barometer that economists monitor for signs of inflation picked up strongly.
“Workers' average hourly earnings rose to $16.27 in October, up 0.5 percent from September. Wage gains are good for workers and can fuel spending, an important ingredient to the economy's good health. But a rapid pickup in wage growth can lead economists to fret about inflation.”
This is the largest monthly increase to average hourly wages since February 2003, and the AP and other media outlets depicted it as negative due to its inflationary potential. However, for several years the media have been reporting that the jobs being created in the current recovery are low-paying, and that as a result, wage gains are not keeping up with inflation. In fact, a Google search of the phrase “wages lagging inflation” produced 188,000 results.
Nicholas Riccardi of the Los Angeles Times wrote about this in April in an article entitled “Wages Lagging Behind Prices”:
“For the first time in 14 years, the American workforce has in effect gotten an across-the-board pay cut.
“The growth in wages in 2004 and the first two months of this year trailed inflation, compounding the squeeze from higher housing, energy and other costs.”
As a result, after years of being told that they weren’t earning enough money to make ends meet, Americans are now being informed that receiving too much of a raise is also a bad thing. As such, it appears that whatever economic data is released, the media tend to report it as a cataclysm. Is it any wonder the left is so gloomy? Most on the right ignore the liberal media.
Liberal gloom and doom may eventually kill America as the left appeases terrorism just like France is doing. The liberal media will blame everyone but their democrat puppet masters for it too!
See, that is a little more like it Ottman. You actually have some credible sources in there, and more information than simply comes out of your own imagination, which I appreciate.
As for Franken and Moore.. I've never read anything by either of them, and honestly I can't be bothered with their partisan crap. I am influenced by people whose goals are to unite left and right rather than drive wedges between them. Neither side is entirely right or wrong and I find it extremely arrogant for anyone to think otherwise.
In any case, I am neither on the left nor the right, I am only on the side of the RIGHT THING, which sometimes involves supporting the left and sometimes involves supporting the right.
dfkz: Your right - none was found. But the evidence around the situation made it easy to see that he had them. You rely on believing that what you dont see doesnt exist.
But the evidence around the situation made it easy to see that he had them.
There was NO credible evidence that Iraq had or moved WMDs. It is nothing more than wishful thinking by people who refuse to believe bush is a huge liar.
Anyway, Ottmann wasn't claiming that Iraq sent WMDs to Syria (although he probably believes that as well) -- he claims WMDs were found IN IRAQ. I guess that Otmann thinks bush presented proof that WMDs were found (thus vindicating him), but the "liberal media" lies won out in the end -- bush gave up on getting the truth out.
No, but there was evidence that said saddam had biological weapons and missle ranges. After the gulf war, Iraq continued its weapons of mass destruction programs in defiance of UN resolutions and restrictions. They had been acquiring weapons and defying the UN, so what the hell do you think thier motives are? The question is if saddam had finally acquired nuclear weapons before we took him out.
As I stated previously above, 500 TONS of Uranium were uncovered in Iraq, as was Sarin and Mustard Gas. All after Saddam was defeated.
Exclusive: Saddam Possessed WMD, Had Extensive Terror Ties
Iraqi intelligence documents, confiscated by U.S. forces and obtained by CNSNews.com, show numerous efforts by Saddam Hussein's regime to work with some of the world's most notorious terror organizations, including al Qaeda, to target Americans.
They demonstrate that Saddam's government possessed Mustard gas and Anthrax, both considered weapons of mass destruction, in the summer of 2000, during the period in which United Nations weapons inspectors were not present in Iraq. And the papers show that Iraq trained dozens of terrorists inside its borders.
One of the Iraqi memos contains an order from Saddam for his intelligence service to support terrorist attacks against Americans in Somalia. The memo was written nine months before U.S. Army Rangers were ambushed in Mogadishu by forces loyal to a warlord with alleged ties to al Qaeda.
Other memos provide a list of terrorist groups with whom Iraq had relationships and considered available for terror operations against the United States.
Among the organizations mentioned are those affiliated with Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and Ayman al-Zawahiri, two of the world's most wanted terrorists. Zarqawi is believed responsible for the kidnapping and beheading of several American civilians in Iraq and claimed responsibility for a series of deadly bombings in Iraq Sept. 30. Al-Zawahiri is the top lieutenant of al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden, allegedly helped plan the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist strikes on the U.S., and is believed to be the voice on an audio tape broadcast by Al-Jazeera television Oct. 1, calling for attacks on U.S. and British interests everywhere.
The source of the documents
Mr. Allan Ryskind of Human Events Online has written the best chronology of events leading up to the war. He also proves beyond doubt that democrats are trying desperately to undermine the president of the United States and our security for their own political survival, that in reality are only making things worse for themselves, our troops overseas, and the new government in Iraq.
Please read this article at the link provided above, and realize that the truth is that Saddam did have WMD's and he was preparing to make more to use against either Israel or Us.
Either that, or the Clinton administration and the Bush administration were deceiving the public, which is highly unlikely. Bottom line is that Bush did something about it after 9/11 to prevent another attack, and Clinton did not do anything for 8 years prior to 9/11. Several attacks on America at home leading up to 9/11, NONE after the war was started.
Want terrorism here? Bring the troops home before the mission is complete, as called for by democrats who can't stand being out of power over the people.
This is why democrats are wrong... Al Qaeda in Iraq issues virulent manifesto
As I stated previously above, 500 TONS of Uranium were uncovered in Iraq, as was Sarin and Mustard Gas. All after Saddam was defeated.
As I stated above, you're full of sh!t.
This is why democrats are wrong...
What? I read it the article you linked to, and it obviously proves that Republicans are wrong.
Quotes from the article Ottmann linked to above:
So why do we carry out operations in Iraq against the Americans and their aides in the Iraqi army and police? First, to please God, who orders us to carry on this jihad and to force the occupiers to pull out of the land"...
...foreign fighters who left their countries, spouses and children and are sacrificing their blood for you to protect you and protect your families and honor, your women and children, forcing the occupiers to pull out of your country. (The Iraq war has made terrorism worse by convincing more muslims to join the fight against the "occupiers".)
The document warns there will be no end to the insurgency. "The call for jihad goes on until doomsday, whether there is an imam calling for it or not". (Which means we can't win this war -- American soldiers will continue to die. Eventually the American people will demand we withdraw -- but it will be to late -- WWIII will be inevitable. The jihad wil continue until "doomsday", which is the battle of Armageddon. All this means that the end is near -- the AntiChrist bush's plan is on track.)
Well it's a good thing our troops are brave enough to fight the terrorists and WIN. Wimps like dkfz certainly are not.
The Armegeddon scenario won't happen at least until the next president, especially if it's a democrat, because they will be hard-pressed to show they have a backbone, which means they will over-react and start WWIII. dkfz won't have a clue when it happens.
BUT, the decision will come from the EU's Javier Solana' who will call up all the armies under his emergency powers granted to him under the Barcelona agreement.
The EU now wants full control of the internet. Why? So they will be able to institute it for world commerce.
Notice how the EU is now supplying "security" for Israel.
The deal was signed last week between Solana and Silvan Shalom. Israel has not only invited Solana's forces to enter Gaza and police the border crossings, Israel has authorized Solana the use of force.
Javier Solana is planning a grand celebration of THE agreement. Not only that, Solana has promised some kind of surprise announcement. Since we know the EU can't stand Israel, they will surely reneg on their agreement sometime in the future. Perhaps in 3.5 years?
I found it interesting in the EUobserver article that Javier Solana's name was nowhere to be found, not even under his picture with Shalom.
Here's NEW Confirmation of liberal bias in the media...
Pew Poll: Bush Not Treated Fairly by Press
The useful idiots in the lib media should be severely punished for treason!
Being able to "win" has nothing to do with being a "wimp" or not. It has to do with the fact that there are aproximately 1 billion muslims. Of course, only a small percentage of those muslims are, or will become, terrorists -- but it is still an extremely high number -- which is why we can't "win". Al Qaeda is doing better than it ever has -- all thanks to bush. The Iraq war is a fantastic recruitment tool.
If I'm a wimp because I think it is immoral to suggest that we sacrifice thousands more US soldier's lives fighting a war that cannot be won (and bankrupting the United States in the process) -- then I guess I'm a wimp. I'd much rather be a wimp than a total idiot.
The press is too hard on bush?! That's Bullsh!t! The Conserative Media is way to easy on him!
The FIRST person we should charge with treason is the war criminal bush!
LOL! dkfz is a losin and can't stand the facts PROVING him WRONG, again! Then he comes up with bias bullcrap from liberals making lame accusations.
The MSM is surely liberally bias, and even their favorite attack pollster PEW can't hide reality anymore, the same reality dkfz denies like Clintoon taught him.
Only one network, FOX leans slightly to the right. ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, CNN are all majorly bias against Bush and Republicans.
The lib media has had their way for the past 50 years, but are now being held accountable for their lies by the new media! FACT, FACT, FACT, FACT... NOTHING DKFZ CAN DO WILL EVER CHANGE THOSE FACTS!!!!!!!!!!!
Here's more bad news for terrorist lover dkfz....
Hundreds of angry Jordanians rallied shouting, "Burn in hell, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi!" after the terrorist group he leads claimed responsibility for the blasts. Terror attacks spark fury in Jordan
Looks like the terrorists' have a backfire on their hands!
Maybe dkfz should go help Zarqawi, his hero~! Deny, deny, deny. Clintoon (the real AC) brainwashed him good! I wonder if dkfz ever asks himself why Clintoon was so weak against OBL since '93? But of course he doesn't as he believes everything Clintoon says, even that he "didn't have sex with that woman." And yet never questions why his law license was taken away. What a sucker!
LOL indeed. You certainly are crazy. You can call lies facts over and over and over -- your lies will remain lies.
Bill Clinton (I have no idea who this "Clintoon" you keep referring to is) lied about a personal matter which was completely unrelated to his position as president. Republican presidents lie about important matters of government. I know which lies concern me more.
Bush lie from the 2003 State of the Union Address: "The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa".
Result of that lie? 2000 US soldiers dead (and counting), thousands more maimed, Billions of dollars lost to Fraud and Greed, and Increased Terrorism.
Whose lie was worse?
Clinton was NOT weak against terrorism or Osama bin Laden!
Quote from "Big Lies" by Joe Conason:
The indictment of Clinton by Sean Hannity, Sullivan, and other conservatives relies heavily on a fable about attempts by the government of Sudan to "hand over bin Laden to the United States" in 1996. Authoritative reporting in the Washington Post and in "The Age of Sacred Terror" by Daniel Benjamin and Steven Simon shows that the Sudanese offered only to "arrest bin Laden and place him in Saudi custody".
Post reporter Barton Gellman detailed the efforts by the Clinton white house and the State Department to induce the Saudis to accept custody of bin Laden, a request that the authorities in Riyadh adamantly refused. There was no offer to hand bin Laden over to the United States before the Sudanese deported him back to Kabul.
The Clinton critics like to dismiss his administration's efforts to stop bin Laden as a couple of missiles fired at an empty tent. Yet there was no lack of zeal in Clinton's hunt for the Saudi terrorist. In 1998 Clinton signed a secret National Security Directive that authorized an intensive, ongoing campaign to destroy al Qaeda and seize or assassinate bin Laden. Several attempts were made on bin Laden's life, aside from the famous cruise missile launch that summer, which conservatives falsely denounced as an attempt to deflect attention from the Lewinsky scandal.
In 1999, the CIA organized a Pakistani commando unit in enter Afghanistan on a mission to capture or kill bin Laden. That operation was aborted when General Pervez Musharraf seized the Pakistani government from Nawaz Sharif, the more cooperative civilian Prime Minster. A year later, bin Laden was reportedly almost killed in a rocket-grenade attack on his convoy. Unfortunately, the missiles hit the wrong truck.
Simultaneously, the White House tried to persuade or coerce the Taliban regime into expelling bin Laden from Afghanistan. Clinton signed an executive order freezing $254 million in Taliban assets in the United States, while the State Department kept the Taliban internationally isolated.
On Clinton's watch, the CIA and the National Security Council instituted a special al Qaeda unit that thwarted several deadly conspiracies, including a scheme to blow up Los Angeles International Airport on Millennium eve, and plots to bomb the Holland and Lincoln Tunnels in New York City as well as the United Nations building. Timely American intelligence also prevented a deadly assault on the Israeli embassy in Washington. Meanwhile, the State Department and the CIA neutralized dozens of terrorist cells overseas through quiet prosecutions, extraditions, and executions undertaken by allies from Albania to the Philippines.
A month before Clinton left office -- and nine months before the planes hit the world trade center -- the nation's most experienced diplomats in counter terrorism praised those efforts. "Overall, I give them very high marks", said Robert Oakley, former Ambassador for Counter terrorism in the Reagan State Department. "The only major criticism I have is the obsession with Osama, which has made him stronger". Paul Bremer, who had served in the same post under Reagan and later was chosen by congressional leaders to chair the National Commission on Terrorism, disagreed slightly with his colleague. Bremer told the Washington Post he believed that the Clinton administration had "correctly focused on bin Laden". (pages 205-207)
NOTHING OTTMANN WRITES WILL EVER CHANGE THESE FACTS!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm a terrorist lover?! Ottmann, you have your facts mixed up again! You believe whatever lies the Republicans feed you -- what a sucker!
Once again, dkfz can only spin what I've written using liberal tripe and revised history in contrast to the REAL facts. Truly pathetic but also true to the liberal loser he is, dkfz has fully lost to reality.
The article dkfz uses to explain Clintoon's lame and late non-actions to Bin Laden prove beyond doubt that he was a failure of epic proportions. Had Clintoon done his job and dealt with OBL the way he should have back in the mid 1990's when OBL declared war on America, twice, the USS Cole bombing, the bombings in Nigeria, etc., and 9/11 would not have happened and the world would not be facing such terrorism from the arab mad man and Al Qaeda.
Clintoon twice failed to accept Bin Laden's hand-over from Sudan, and has confessed that that was his biggest mistake. Especially since Clinton has been caught on tape admitting the offers were real and that he said no, a development historians will likely record as the biggest foreign policy blunder of the postwar period.
Still, the mainstream media continue to ignore Clinton's confession, preferring instead to point their fingers in the direction of the Bush White House.
In denying those facts, dkfz has exposed himself as someone who sides with wishful feelings and propaganda instead of solid facts backed with real evidence.
Of course dkfz will come back with more spins and other nonsense from MoveOn, Franken or Moore, and this could go on and on and on. But I've proven the true facts here in undeniable reality, yet dkfz-still blinded, still denies.
So dkfz-drew, can spin himself into the ground for all I care, because the facts speak much louder than his hateful liberal b.s..
Oh, BTW, to liberal dismay, Clintoon has also admitted that he agrees with what Bush is doing in Iraq. Naturally the biased lib media never heard it.
Ottmann lied... The article dkfz uses to explain Clintoon's lame and late non-actions to Bin Laden prove beyond doubt that he was a failure of epic proportions.
It does? Strange, I thought it proved that Clinton did an OUTSTANDING job fighting terrorism.
Ottman lied... Clinton has been caught on tape admitting the offers were real and that he said no.
This is a total fabrication which has absolutely no basis in reality.
More Ottmann lies... Oh, BTW, to liberal dismay, Clintoon has also admitted that he agrees with what Bush is doing in Iraq.
It doesn't sound that way to me:
Clinton said he disagreed with President Bush's decision to invade Iraq before weapons inspectors had finished their work. But he agrees with Bush now that the U.S. should not withdraw from Iraq at this point.
"Let's wait until the elections, see what the composition of the new government is, assess the chances of keeping the country together and then make a decision", Clinton said. "And if at all possible, announce both a drawdown and a kind of reconfiguration of the forces in a way that will make them less subject to resentment and more likely to succeed".
Clinton also touched on domestic issues, from health care to taxes. He blasted the Bush administration for cutting taxes for the wealthy, and used his own situation to illustrate his point.
Clinton says he's become relatively affluent since leaving office. He normally commands a six-figure speaking fee, although he didn't charge the University of Minnesota. Clinton said he's received five tax cuts since President Bush was elected, yet the nation continue to borrow money to fund the war and other efforts to fight terrorism.
"We can go forward together, but not if people like me demand a free ride, while we send the children of middle-class America and poor America around the world to put their lives in danger and refuse to pay for it. That's wrong. It's just wrong!" said Clinton. (November 6, 2005)
FYI: I've quoted Common Dreams, but not MoveOn.org -- although I think they are both excellent organizations.
Clinton has made other statments which were entirely way to supportive of bush -- I think he is being diplomatic because he needs the current administration's support to carry out his humanitarian missions.
I seriously doubt he really feels as chariable towards the Republicans (who conducted a smear campaign against him when he was in office), or bush (who continues to smear him).
That's part of the immoral Republican strategey -- they smear their opponents -- and gullible idiots like Ottmann can't get enough of their lies. In fact, they repeat those lies over and over calling them the "true facts", "solid facts backed with real evidence", and claim they live in "undeniable reality". You are truly pathetic Ottmann.
dkfz is so wacko that he's lost to whatever the libs say. It was Clintoon who smeared anyone who disagree with him.
His wife murdered Vince Foster and Ron Brown because they were going against the Klintoons. Slick Willey smeared all the girls he raped until Monica, who's only alive now because Slick messed up, leaving his evidence on her blue dress. That really pissed off Hitlery, who told him not to get caught anymore, but he couldn't resist the fat pig.
Lieberalz act as if Slick didn't cause any of his own problems. They act as if Slick was a victim, like they always do because they're so pathetically and emotionally screwed up! They have only lies to give due to their hate-filled tiny hearts that are literally killing them all.
Slick Willey was a liar from day one, came from the worst state in the nation at the time and lied his way to the White House and continuously thereafter. FACT!
dkfz is a lost cause sucking up the lieberal tripe that has surely doomed the usefull idiots to failure. History can't be changed. It's recorded, and that puts democrats in serioius trouble as all their lies are being exposed until they're nothing but an empty shell.
dkfz can whine on and on but he can't change one damn thing or anyone who has discernment. But he'll keep trying, because that's the way true evil works!
Just in case anyone doubts that the AC will be coming from the EU, they should read the article at the following link, Fact Sheet on EUPOL- COPPS as it confirms the EU's middle east mission of peace.
Remember that the AC comes in peace at first, and it will last for appox. 3 1/2 years.
The EU's police mission begins on January 1, 2006. Bush's term will end in November of 2008 which means that he cannot possibly be the Antichrist, as dkfz and others from Hanchett's pathetic site wish. But it's too late for Bush to be the one! So the EU is where the AC will rise from.
The problem is that the EU has sided with the Palestinians against God's chosen, becoming their largest donor while claiming to be friends of Israel.
This all started with the 1995 Barcelona Process. This agreement between the then 15 EU member states and 12 Mediterranean states laid the foundation for what we're seeing today.
The European Neighborhood Policy (ENP) was designed to confirm, or reinforce, the stalled Barcelona Process. It included action plans tailored to the needs of each country to continue its integration into what can be described as a revived Roman Empire. Israel was the first to sign its action plan. Since then, six other nations have followed. Among these, the Palestinian Authority.
In other words, finally, at long last, someone may have appeared on the scene and settled the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. If you know your Bible prophecy, you know what this could mean.
There is much going on in the EU now for power and control, with the big three powers–leaders in trouble, ready to be replaced.
The constant in all of this is Javier Solana, who has forced it all to happen. Those who have discernment will realize what's happening, and those who don't will be blinded.
I cannot stress how important the following speech is to Bible prophecy.
While the EU makes things sound promising now, the EU will likely turn its back on Israel in 3 1/2 years (Daniel 9:27) after the confirmation of the peace covenant between Israelis and Palestinians that may have already happened or soon will. We are nearly at this point!
Remember also that the EU now wants control of the Internet to force the world into global commerce and for it to be dictated from Brussels where they have the world's largest data base.
His wife murdered Vince Foster and Ron Brown because they were going against the Klintoons.
Total fantasy! That Ottmann would repeat this FICTION is definitive proof HE is the one who is wacko. Read this article if you want to know the TRUTH.
Excerpts:
A look back at previous Bush family presidential campaigns -- in 1988, 1992, and 2000 -- reveals a disturbing pattern of personal attacks on the families of their opponents, a variation on the larger theme of character assassination that also has included impugning the patriotism of opponents (Dukakis, Clinton, McCain, and Kerry) and questioning their mental health (Dukakis, McCain, Gore, and Dean).
In "My Life", Clinton describes a 1991 phone call from the Bush White House's Roger Porter, threatening to destroy him if he runs: "We'll spend whatever we have to spend to get whoever we have to get to say whatever they have to say to take you out".
...Bush aides were caught searching for dirt in the passport files of Clinton's mother.
...Bush White House sleepover guest Limbaugh Rush Limbaugh showed Chelsea Clinton's picture on television and called her the "White House dog".
(The bush team also smeared fellow Republicans) Voters were told that John McCain was a liar, a hypocrite, a philanderer and a jerk. They were told he was not a hero at all but a Manchurian Candidate, brainwashed or broken in captivity and sent home to betray his comrades in arms. They were told he had had affairs, illegitimate children, that he infected his wife with a venereal disease and that he had sex with hookers.
Bush's term will end in November of 2008 which means that he cannot possibly be the Antichrist, as dkfz and others from Hanchett's pathetic site wish.
Then how could it be Clinton as you've claimed? You've also said you believe the AntiChrist will come from the EU -- so which is it?
Mr. Hanchett has only presented the facts. In my opinion those facts make a very compelling case. I'm not wishing for bush to be the AntiChrist! Either he is or he isn't -- my desire for bush to be the Antichrist (Ottman's assertation) will have NO EFFECT on how things turn out.
Ottmann's STRONG DELUSION is more very convincing evidence that the AntiChrist is indeed George W. Bush.
Those who have discernment will realize what's happening, and those who don't will be blinded.
Then there is no hope for you Ottmann, since you are unable to discern fact from fiction. Even if bush is not the Antichrist, he is still an Arrogant, Lying, Thieving Incompetent TRAITOR! You can't see the facts right in front of your face because you are completely blinded to the truth!
Goodness gracious BC08. You certainly opened up a bag of worms with this one. 111 comments so far. Congratulations!
I won't get into this debate. Everyone knows who's side I'm on anyway.
Yes the Government DID during Clinton times killed off Vince foster (embezzeling their drug money) and Ron Brown (killed for his attempts to become the first BLACK president) and it is a complete no no from the Illuminati.
OKC bombing was also done by the Government as well. McVeigh was working with the CIA to bring it down and also during the Clinton times the Government and CIA did sell arms to all of the smaller countries.
BTW thanks for proving my point OTTY and DKFZ. I hope it comes to the realization that all of the government workers are the same.
Okay, I won't get into this debate here... but I do need y'all's help:
My blog readers and I have decided - our counter-movement to the Liberal "wear black" and "wear red" on Fridays "until our troops come home", will be called "Operation Green shirt/ Yellow ribbon".
On Fridays, to show our support for the troops AND their mission, we will wear green, and to show our hope for them to come home safe, soon, and victorious, we will wear a yellow ribbon on our lapel or around our wrists. Please spread the word any way you can! Thanks in advance.
bring them home now...and I am so sick of these stupid protest between the liberal and conservative you are not helping at all...
I am starting to do a protest it is about informing people about the New World Order Everyday we all wear black...
Well, as I said folks, dkfz is a total Clintoon puppet who clearly sucks up Bill even more than Monica did.
Since he follows Slick like a god, he'll surely not know who the AC really is when he arrives on the scene as a 'peacemaker.'
It could easily be Bill Clinton if his "wife" Hitlery runs and wins with her lies. She may end up basically being ignored while the world, especially those in the EU follow Slick's everyword giving him a pass on everything, especially with the media being puppets of the DNC. Or they will be a team, like having 2 presidents, which democrat's would absolutely love. Imagine taxes hiked back to higher levels than before Bush's tax cuts to go with more corporate corruption worse than the 1990's under Clinton. Enron x100.
But Hitlery could be just a decoy for someone waiting in the wings. This could be another candidate with a big smile who can talk the pants off women,. Dems will always vote for whomever "Looks" the best, no matter what they may say, and especially if they say it with a southern-ish accent.
The AC is more likely still someone in the EU (Solana?) who a democrat president (God forbid) would likely hand America's soverignty over to in forming the final NWO, as is planned by the Barcelona agreement. (See my comment above).
dkfz said: "Bush White House sleepover guest Limbaugh Rush Limbaugh showed Chelsea Clinton's picture on television and called her the "White House dog".
So? Rush can say whatever he wants. Liberal's have called Bush much much more, and much worse!. Besides, the reality is that Chelsea is not pretty, and that's putting it kindly, so Rush was correct again.
Seems dems can bash to the max, but if a Conservative does it against them, then they have a hissy fit and cry foul. Their double standards are disgusting and they hate it when they're exposed.
Hanchett does NOT present facts, he uses spins and lies found in liberal/DNC/MoveOn/Moore/Franken/Streisand ad nauseum talking points in his slandering of president Bush.
Read the new best seller liberals can't stand called DO AS I SAY [Not As I Do] Profiles in Liberal Hypocrisy
Hanchett has some very serious problems going on, and needs quite a reality check. But as I've said before, he's too far gone for that. Only prayers can help him now.
What will Hanchett say when Bush is out of office? If another Republican is elected in '08, Hanchett will simply transfer everything he's written about Bush to him, and never admit he was wrong, due to his massive hatred and arrogance.
"bring them home now.."
Oh yeah, lets do that, shall we? that will create political instability, which will lead to a civil war. Its really wise now, isnt it? You are a short minded fool!
(shoots BC08 with marshmallows)
Ottmann can spin the facts until they are dizzy, but no matter how hard they are spun, when the spinning is over, the facts remain unchanged.
Ottmann lied... Since he follows Slick like a god, he'll surely not know who the AC really is when he arrives on the scene as a peacemaker.
I most certainly do not think Mr. Clinton is a GOD. I think he was one of our finest presidents -- Unlike the buffoon you worship who lied us into war, appoints unqualified cronies to important positions, passes massive tax cuts for the wealthy on the backs of the working poor, and presides over the most corrupt administration in US history! TRUE!
Ottmann lied... It could easily be Bill Clinton if his "wife" Hitlery runs and wins with her lies.
I'll vote for Hillary Clinton if she is the Democratic canidate -- although I'm not sure she is the best person for the job. She hasn't taken a strong stance against the Iraq war -- In fact she voted for the war and has "no regrets". I'd rather vote for Howard Dean. In any case, I very much doubt Mrs. Clinton will run.
Ottmann lied... a democrat president (God forbid) would likely hand America's soverignty over to [The EU]
That is total BS. NO president would, or COULD, "hand over" soverignty! It is only your haterd of Democrats that makes you say this. TRUE! You are NOT fooling anyone (anyone with a brain that is) -- YOU, Ottmann, are the one who is filled with hate! TRUE!
Ottmann ignorantly said... Rush can say whatever he wants.
Sure, he can say whatever he wants -- he has no morals or sense of decency to stop him! Just because he has the "right" to say something hateful and cruel doesn't mean decent people won't be disgusted by this hateful lying Scumbag. TRUE!
Ottmann lied... Liberal's have called Bush much much more, and much worse!.
Not true, and also not the point. The point was that Rush attacked Mr. Clinton's DAUGHTER, not Mr. Clinton. bush's daughters have made the news when they purchased booze illegially -- But I don't remember any Democrats ever attacking them for this or any other reason!
Ottmann said... Read the new best seller liberals can't stand called "Do as I say (Not As I Do) Profiles in Liberal Hypocrisy
NO, read the new Number 1 bestseller The Truth (with Jokes) by Al Franken.
Publishers Weekly Review:
Franken is George W. Bush's worst nightmare: a savvy liberal political satirist and Harvard fellow with a massive readership. Franken and his tireless team of fact-checkers are able to spread The Truth to people who might never pick up books by Eric Alterman (What Liberal Media?), David Brock (Blinded by the Right), Joe Conason (Big Lies), Ron Suskind (The Price of Loyalty) or Richard A. Clarke (Against All Enemies). Franken details how the Bush team won the 2004 election through "smears, fears and queers". While Franken writes with a razor-sharp wit, his intention is deadly serious: to expose how hypocrisy, bigotry, ineptitude, unchecked corruption and partisan politics have resulted in war, debt and a divided nation. [end review]
Ottmann said... What will Hanchett say when Bush is out of office? If another Republican is elected in '08, Hanchett will simply transfer everything he's written about Bush to him, and never admit he was wrong, due to his massive hatred and arrogance.
It is a total JOKE for someone filled with as much hate and arrogance as Ottmann to be making these allegations against anyone else! I have doubts that bush will actually leave office at the end of his term. Even if he does, I definitely think he could return to power at a later date. Possibly if Jeb Bush or Dick Cheney is "elected".
Ottmann can spin himself into the ground for all I care, because the TRUE FACTS speak much louder than his hateful conservative BS.
Jayson said... Oh yeah, lets do that, shall we? that will create political instability, which will lead to a civil war. Its really wise now, isnt it? You are a short minded fool!
So how long do we stay? Decades? What happens when the US Military can no longer recruit enough soldiers to "complete the mission"? Do you think this war is worth it no matter what the cost?! Do you think it's worth it no matter how many US soldiers are killed?!
I say the cost is already too high! Especially considering WE CAN'T WIN! We need an exit strategy, and soon (I think the best exit strategy would include an impeachment).
dkfz has my vote for sucker of the century for sure! I mean all he does is spin what I say. His childishness is not to be responded to hereafter.
He will follow (vote for) the AC no matter what, even taking the coming mark the of beast while knowing the consequences.
The cross of Christ angers these, about whom God’s Word has something to say: “For many, as I have often told you and now tell you even in tears, conduct themselves as enemies of the cross of Christ.” (Phil. 3:18)
"Their end is destruction. Their God is their stomach; their glory is in their "shame." Their minds are occupied with earthly things." (Phil. 3:19).
dkfz has my vote for sucker of the century for sure! I mean all he does is spin what I say.
Is that so? Because I stuck in a few of the few of the same nonsense sentences you use? Take note Ottmann: Simply declaring what you write true does not make it so. I was only pointing out how ridiculous your posts are -- but of course you cannot see that, since you REALLY believe the lies you spout.
His childishness is not to be responded to hereafter.
Really? You've been resonding to everything I've been posting! It's really the only reason I've kept posting -- I wanted to see how long you were going to keep replying.
"Their end is destruction. Their God is their stomach; their glory is in their "shame". Their minds are occupied with earthly things". (Phil. 3:19).
How ironic! This so clearly describes you Ottmann! The Republican's shame is that they continue to cut taxes for the wealthiest Americans -- at the same time they are cutting services designed to help the poorest Americans! I'm sure they are quite PROUD of how they are bringing the budget under control. Why can't they see how wrong this is? Because their minds are occupied with earthly things (i.e. their own wealth). bush's glory is how he has been able to rob the American people blind with his tax cuts and budjet deficits!
"Sucker of the Century" indeed. YOU have MY vote Ottmann!
Republicans should be ashamed!
After Congress' approval of $62 billion for recovery from Hurricane Katrina, GOP conservatives are demanding greater cuts in social programs while refusing to scale back their plans for a fifth round of tax cuts.
"You're denying resources to programs that serve the middle class and neediest of the needy on the eve of a projected vote to provide tax benefits and breaks to the most advantaged in our society", said Rep. Sherwood Boehlert (R-NY). He was one of the moderate Republicans who pressured leaders to modify the spending cuts. GOP leaders can't afford to lose many of their own, since the issue has energized Democratic opposition.
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), said, "They'll take food out of the mouths of children in order to give tax cuts to the wealthiest". (11/14/2005)
I was listening to talk radio this morning, from a soldier who is THERE NOW in iraq, and he said that they had already trained thousands of iraqi police and military, and that they were well on thier way to being done! just you watch, you skeptical. This Job will be done soon, iraq will be a model country for others, and in about 20 years, this will look really good in the history books! why? because it was a really good! Just keep on flapping your jaws, but mark my words, you are wrong.
"House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), said, "They'll take food out of the mouths of children in order to give tax cuts to the wealthiest"
Pelosi is one of the richest bitches in the world. So is Diane Feinstein and Barbara Boxer. All of them are richer than some countries and comined are richer than many countries! They will suffer so very dearly when it's time due to their lying hypocrisy.
Why doesn't she give some of her millions to help them? Because she's never given a dime, and she never will! All of those bitches have overseas accounts to avoid paying taxes!
Democrat's are the most vile liars on the face of the earth who rape the people with taxes that they pocket for themselves! FACT!
The dems are dying because they've blown it bad with the almighty, yet they will still have their false utopia someday soon in this world of theirs. Then they will ALL be slaughtered to hell for eternity!
So let dkfz can continue his filthy lies, ... he's already gone. And he knows it!
Ottmann lies and insults women... Pelosi is one of the richest bitches in the world. So is Diane Feinstein and Barbara Boxer. All of them are richer than some countries and comined are richer than many countries! They will suffer so very dearly when it's time due to their lying hypocrisy.
Wealthy Democrats have to give all their money away or they are hypocrites?
Quote from "Big Lies" by Joe Conason:
If it is morally right and good for America to lift families out of poverty with a minimum wage increase or an earned income tax credit, why would those policies be less valid when advocated by a millionaire? And why wouldn't a millionaire or billionaire who loves America advocate what's best for all the American people? Quite a few enlightened men and women of wealth have sought to help the poor and the middle class. That has often meant abandoning their narrow, immediate material interests. Yet somehow conservatives cannot imagine that a person who has enjoyed abundance, privilege, and education might adopt any worldview other than icy selfishness. Not every fortunate son is as blinded by privilege as the offspring of the Bush family. (Page 22)
This is just a Republican smokescreen used to discredit Democrats. It's basically meaningless BS -- since the Republican senators are just as wealthy! The fact is that they have dedicated they lives to serve average and underprivledged Americans -- NOT the super wealthy and corporations. FACT!
Democrats are the most vile liars on the face of the earth who rape the people with taxes that they pocket for themselves!
LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE.
So let dkfz can continue his filthy lies, ... he's already gone. And he knows it!
More lies.
dkfz can go on and on and on and on claiming I'm the one lying. He's know's it's not true, but can't help himself because he's too far into it. All the lies from democraps are being exposed, and yet dkfz continues on.
Where did I say dems have to give all their money away? I didn't. It wasn't even implied. I said dems don't give any of their money away to the poor, and that is truer than the sky is blue! The richy rich liberals are scum of the earth hypocrites who do and say the opposite of all they claim. They are all liars who've been blinded to the truth and that's why they hate so much.
The latest example is the CIA leak case where it now looks like democraps will be eating their own shit, again.
Gawd, they must love the stuff!
dkfz has serious personal problems to contend with, but it's doubtful he understands the repercussions of his lying here. It is possible that he's just to naive and stupid. But it's more likely that he's just plain evil.
LOL
Here here Conservative Patriot. It sounds like BushCheney08 has once again lost his way and started stalking Michael and Herman again. Every time we think he's been put on the right track he goes and messes everything up with his homoerotic fantasies. Take a cold shower BushCheney08 and leave Michael and Herman alone!
How much democratic senators do or do not give to charity isn't what is most important here. As I pointed out earlier, they are doing the right thing -- fighting for America's middle class and poor -- Unlike Republicans who only care about corporations and the super wealthy. FACT!
Your guys are out and out thieves who: pass laws to benefit companies they own stock in, benefit their big business contributors, etc etc etc.
I am done for tonight. Maybe I will return tomorrow. Apparently you will NEVER tire of lying -- but I am growing VERY tired of reading your lies. YOU OTTMANN are complicit in bush's lies, for which the consequence will be eternal damnation.
dkfz,
Who are the super wealthy? DEMOCRATS ARE, dope!
How many Hollywood Moorons are SUPER WEALTHY?
Bill Gates? The richest man in the world is a DEMOCRAT!
BILLONAIRE GEORGE SOROS is a DEMOCRAT!
JOHN KERRY, TEDDY KENNEDY, NANCY PELOSI, DIANE FEINSTEIN, ALL SUPER DUPER WEALTHY AS HELL DEMOCRATS!!!!!!!!! MOST BANKING CEO'S are SUPER WEALTHY DEMOCRATS who don't give a rats-ass about little pathetic YOU!
John Edwards and most Lawyers are SUPER WEALTHY AS HELL DEMOCRATS!!!!! AL GORE has tons of OIL STOCKS and now his own network because he's a SUPER RICH AS HELL DEMOCRAT LIAR WHO SHOUD BE HANGED IN PUBLIC ALONG WITH THE CLINTON'S FOR THEIR CRIMES!!!!!!!!!
ALL DEMOCRATS ARE LYING ASSHOLES WHO SHOULD BE DROPPED OFF IN IRAQ NOW, THEN WE'LL PULL THE TROOPS LIKE THEY WANT!!!!! LET'S WATCH THE LYING MO-FO BASTARDS SCREAM THEN!!!!!! HECK I'D GIVE ALL I'VE GOT TO WATCH TED KENNEDY RUNNING FOR HIS LIFE SCREAMING FOR OUR TROOPS TO SAVE HIS FAT DRUNKEN ASS.
So go ahead and vote for dems, then send in a check for 75% of what you make to 'em. They'll raise taxes so high, you'll die! Or maybe you're one of the fat cat democrats already eh? No wonder you lie so much! You know what? I hope you are one the richy rich, then you'll be cooked good!
No wonder terrorists hate us so much, it's because of the SUPER DUPER RICH AS HELL WEALTHY DEMOCRAPS!
What you say doesn't even make any sense! Why are Republicans fighting to lower the taxes of wealthy Democrats? Why are the Democrats opposing them?? I don't know why I keep replying. It's pretty pointless to argue with someone who is obviously insane.
SEE?, dkfz doesn't get it and NEVER will. He has no clue how the RICH democrats use liberals for their own gain against the people! The people are whom the Republicans are lowing taxes for, not only the rich, but for ALL those who PAY INCOME TAXES!
Why do the richer people get more of their taxes cut? BECAUSE THEY HAVE PAID (DISPROPORTIONATELY) MORE TAXES... Duuuhhh!!!!!
PAY ATTENTION HERE dkfz. I'll make this as easy to understand as possible so that even an Eight grader can comphrehend it.
There's a test question at the end, including a bonus question.
Lesson 1. Let's say you and your neighbor both bank at the same bank. If you have more money in the bank than your neighbor, you can expect to earn more interest, right? Even though the interest rate is the same percentage, the guy who has more money makes more on the interest than the guy who has less money because that lesser amount accrue's slower than the larger amount, which accrue's faster. The lesser amount can never catch up to the larger amount because while both amounts are making the same percentage of interest, the larger amount grows quicker.
Ya follow?
Lesson 2. So because you earn more money than your neighbor, you can expect to pay a higher income tax rate, right? Your neighbor, making less than you can expect to pay a lesser income tax rate, right?
Test Question: So if your lower income neighbor hasn't paid as much in taxes as you have because you've made more money, who should get the bigger tax cut?
(A) your neighbor (B) you (C) Uncle Sam
Bonus Question: What banking term has been intentionally left out for simplification?
(A) interest (B) compounding (C) percentage
Please answer questions by letter here:
Test Q. _______ Bonus Q. _________
Conclusion: "Tax cuts for the rich" is just another falsehood created and used by democrats to divide the people into groups. Liberals fall for it, Conservatives don't!
Next time we'll answer why Republican's want to lower rich democrat's income taxes, if dkfz still doesn't get it.
Ottmann, you are an idiot.
Bush is only the decoy Antichrist,Clinton is the real deal.
Bill Clinton Sells the New World Order to US(communist/interdepence)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kvEqg_UlGaA
Clinton Global Initiative(one world religion)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9Jhu6uk3sMw
666
William J. Clinton's name = 666 in Hebrew and Greek even though the numerical value of letters is different in each language
http://becomingone.org/666/
46664 (it even has horns "th 4's"...)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TSLvJKnF88E
Incase any Liberals doubt it...
Bill Clinton agrees with Bush about the need for a New World Order!!!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NzUkhKaNylM
So for one thing get off your high horses liberals,LOL!!!
something is OBVIOUSLY very wrong with both parties
Bill Clinton Closing Speech at CGI 2006
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TSLvJKnF88E
Clinton Global Initiative
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9Jhu6uk3sMw
Bill Clinton Closing Speech at CGI 2006
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TSLvJKnF88E
Bill Clinton Closing Speech at CGI 2006
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TSLvJKnF88E
Bill Clinton Sells the New World Order to US
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kvEqg_UlGaA
Bill Clinton agrees with Bush about the New World Order
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NzUkhKaNylM
Bill Clinton Closing Speech at CGI 2006
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TSLvJKnF88E
A New World Order
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEDuOAtGtWc&NR
George Bush New World Order
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g&NR
Bill Clinton agrees with Bush about the New World Order
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NzUkhKaNylM
Bill Clinton Closing Speech at CGI 2006
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TSLvJKnF88E
Bush Sr Says Reagan helped the new world order
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLlQxVpeHHs&mode=related&search=
Bill Clinton Closing Speech at CGI 2006
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TSLvJKnF88E
The Twilight Zone (The Obsolete Man)...a.k.a. The Clinton Global Initiative
http://youtube.com/watch?v=b4eFblS2-io
Bill Clinton Closing Speech at CGI 2006
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TSLvJKnF88E
Bill Clinton agrees with Bush about the New World Order
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NzUkhKaNylM
Bill Clinton Closing Speech at CGI 2006
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TSLvJKnF88E
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"Amerika"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KbRHt5GCGes
This is a short clip out of a mini series in the 80's called Amerika. Its was about if the communists won.It seems to be coming true.
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666 - the mark of the beast!
Molechs' Mark 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNmO-wjCWkY&NR
Molechs' Mark 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLq-T91H-8w&mode=related&search=
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