The Teen Cultural America's New Low.
I just love rap. What I like about them are the lyrics. Heres one of my favorites, one that is like an elagantly written poem:
"I'm your pimp, You my bitch, Bring me my (dough)"
Its true, I love love songs. There's also this one, another one of my favorites - Sinatra's invigorating "You Make Me Feel So Young":
"Innie, minnie, mini, mo, pick the do' or the flo'
Ho' you gotta go if you aint takin off ya clothes
All I really wanna do is stick my dick up in you"
Talk about heart warming. Another thing I like about it is that it brings together all races of people together. Heres one, charmingly titled "Apache Aint Shit"
"Kill all the white people, we gonna make them hurt,
kill all the white people, but buy my record first,
ha, ha, ha"
I mean, who needs "God Bless America"?
Even though most rappers are mainly black, there are some nice white rappers out there, like that gentle soul Eminem, a favorite of children everywhere. Remember how singers sometimes wrote songs to thier mothers? well, Eminem does to in the wonderful hit "Kill You":
"Slut, you think I wont choke no whore
till the vocal chords dont work in her throat no more?!
Bitch Ima kill you! Like a murder weapon, Ima conceal you
in a closet with mildew, sheets, pillows and film you"
It almost makes you cry. But im serious about that. It really does. did I say I love rap? I meant to say I hate rap. It is Idiotic, violent, and soul deadning. But of course lovers of rap, including legions of liberal elitist critics, will tell you that rappers are "just keepin it real" But I think theres a quality difference between "i love you, I need you, I want you" to "Ill slash you, ill mutilate you, I'll kill you"
Some say that rap signals the end of Western civilization. It may be, but rap is definetly the end of civility.
What boggles my mind is that almost no feminists have spoken out against it. This so called music treats women as objects; telling you to "slit that bitches throat" and "throw her dead ass out the window" But very few feminists have spoken out against it.
"In a society where anything goes, Everything, eventually, will. A society that stands for nothing will fall for anything - and then, of course, will simply fall." - John Underwood
"I'm your pimp, You my bitch, Bring me my (dough)"
Its true, I love love songs. There's also this one, another one of my favorites - Sinatra's invigorating "You Make Me Feel So Young":
"Innie, minnie, mini, mo, pick the do' or the flo'
Ho' you gotta go if you aint takin off ya clothes
All I really wanna do is stick my dick up in you"
Talk about heart warming. Another thing I like about it is that it brings together all races of people together. Heres one, charmingly titled "Apache Aint Shit"
"Kill all the white people, we gonna make them hurt,
kill all the white people, but buy my record first,
ha, ha, ha"
I mean, who needs "God Bless America"?
Even though most rappers are mainly black, there are some nice white rappers out there, like that gentle soul Eminem, a favorite of children everywhere. Remember how singers sometimes wrote songs to thier mothers? well, Eminem does to in the wonderful hit "Kill You":
"Slut, you think I wont choke no whore
till the vocal chords dont work in her throat no more?!
Bitch Ima kill you! Like a murder weapon, Ima conceal you
in a closet with mildew, sheets, pillows and film you"
It almost makes you cry. But im serious about that. It really does. did I say I love rap? I meant to say I hate rap. It is Idiotic, violent, and soul deadning. But of course lovers of rap, including legions of liberal elitist critics, will tell you that rappers are "just keepin it real" But I think theres a quality difference between "i love you, I need you, I want you" to "Ill slash you, ill mutilate you, I'll kill you"
Some say that rap signals the end of Western civilization. It may be, but rap is definetly the end of civility.
What boggles my mind is that almost no feminists have spoken out against it. This so called music treats women as objects; telling you to "slit that bitches throat" and "throw her dead ass out the window" But very few feminists have spoken out against it.
"In a society where anything goes, Everything, eventually, will. A society that stands for nothing will fall for anything - and then, of course, will simply fall." - John Underwood
53 Comments:
I agree with you 100% that rap is garbage, for the most part. I will admit that there are a few tunes I enjoy, but certainly not for their violent or demeaning lyrics. I think one of the reasons that type of music remains maintstream is because of the attention it gets, much like Reverend Phelps and his sinful crusade against homosexuality. If it continues to be acknowledged, then their goal is being achieved. For me, not listening to rap is enough, because although they may never stop rapping, I have it totally in my power to refuse to subject myself to their message.
Let me make two things clear: 1 if we boycott this music, then 90% of these so called "rappers" would stop rapping, because they're completley in it for the money. The other 10%, the "real" rappers, would lose they're contract because of no sales and would stop rapping too.
If we boycott this eventually it would shut down. But that will never happen, because of the brainwashed teenage delinquents that make up our teenage society.
The typical stereotype ditzy preppy girl, who doesnt think of anything but how to get attention from guys, which is why guys think of women as objects, and with this mainstream so called "music" to propel this idea, it will only become worse.
The typical stereotype druggy thug kid, who only thinks of how much he hates his parents, or how much money he can steal from them today, "or what kid's ass he needs to beat." "or what bitch he needs to fuck"
forgive me for using such harsh terms, but as a 15 year old in high school, this is how 70% of kids talk. And I'm not just saying that. It is 100% true. Well, at least in Washington state, California, New York, and any other liberal areas. The reason that its only in highly liberal areas is because that is the only place this so called "music" is tolerated.
Rap is whats propelling this entire teenage lifestyle, and we've got to stop it. Believe it or not, kids my age are accepting the ideas presented in rap, and its, well, gosh its so horrible I cant even explain it!
I think I've given you a pretty good picture of what its like already, but you'll never know what its really like unless you meet it face to face on a daily basis, and thats what position I'm in.
BC8 you're changing on me man. Usually we're on the same page, but now I'm disagreeing with you on 2 of the last three posts (I do agree that Michael Moore is and idiot).
I'm 32 years old and am just starting to get heavily into rap. I view it as another art form. Yes, there are bad versions like you quoted but there's some good stuff too. Just like paintings you have to pick out what you like.
The arguement against rap is the same one that was spouted against rock and roll when I was your age. You don't thing "I used to love her but I had to kill her" (Guns n Roses) or "She's my cherry pie" (Warrant) degraded women. Go back to my parents time and you protest The Doors, The Rolling Stones, and Bob Dylan for explicit lyrics.
The problem is that people are listening to the music. The problem is that we blame society's lack of morality on things rather than trying to correct it.
I assume you are a good kid because your parents made you that way (even if you don't have the same political views). Too many parents these days do not invest in their kids and thus are adding to the downfall of society.
I also pity those kids that you talk about. It will take them a while to realize that presenting yourself like a gangsta will be detremental in their lives and careers, starting with academics.
I'll get off of my soapbox for now.
I am also a high school student, BC08, and I live in the wonderful swing-state of Wisconsin, where we have a fairly equal mix of liberal and conservative influence. I agree with Kingpin, in that we complain about what's wrong with society and blame it on those different than us, yet are still giving it all the attention that keeps it up and running. Being a "flamin' liberal" myself, I do not agree with the lyrics you spoke of or listen to the type of music you are speaking out against, so it isn't fair to say that liberals are causing the problem. I do not know ANYONE who supports the same causes I do that forces rap, racism, or any other negative influence on anyone around them.
Well, if thier is some "good" stuff out there, it certainly isnt the type thats getting attention, because it isnt violent enough for society today.
Plus I know that some rock is degrading to women as well, but it is nowhere near the level of rap when degrading women.
Allisoni, I know dozens. I guess we just dont live in the same place.
I really don't understand how that is possible, actually. Racism, the view that women are objects, and the entire "holy-roller" mentality are very much conservative, "the world should never change" types of views. Liberal means to free from traditional traditions that no longer apply, including all of the previously mentioned examples.
And I believe that it shouldnt change. Because if it does it will change for the worse. Change is bad.
Ok, so then that is contradictory of what you stand for. It's those who resist change that end up the most hurt by it. I am proud to be a liberal because I can see the ways in which society is changing and am thankful that I have the ability to accept those changes and adapt to them.
I can definately agree with some of what you are saying here. It is quite true that the hip-hop genre as a whole is very often used (and unfortunately the most popular forms of it are laden with this) to promote racism, violence and the extreme objectification of women. To be sure, the devil has his hands deeply entangled in hip-hop culture, especially in those areas mentioned.
However, it is not anywhere near accurate to say that rap as a musical genre is ALL like that. Personally I can't stand rap, hip-hop, R&B, etc.. the sound of it makes my skin crawl. Of course so does country music and tradition church hymns. But I know people who genuinely enjoy the beat and the rythm of that kind of music. And there are rap artists who aren't out promoting all of that crap.
For a long time rock n' roll was considered "the devil's music" because so much of it glorifies angst, anger, depression and in many cases satan himself (in a cartoony way anyway). And yet, when used in a positive and godly way, rock music is a powerful creative force. I listen mostly to heavy rock or metal, especially in an industrial/electronic vein. Say what you want about it, I love the sound - it moves me. I have made it a personal quest of mine to seek out music that moves me sonically while also connecting with me spiritually. I won't listen to Marilyn Manson or his ilk because I find it offensive. The same thing can be done with rap music.
And just to let you know, it is a matter of popular culture, not politics. Democratic areas are no more subject to bad rap music than any other place and to make that kind of claim is both ignorant and naive.
All right you think rap sucks and i'm not fond of it myself (although Outkast and Mos Def and Wu TAng Clan are awesome)but it has every right to exist. It is a form of free speech and that is that. Rappers reflect what they feel in there hearts as do some filmmakers. Feminists have spoken out about rap but it doesn't get enough press. You are correct that if the money stops rolling in they will stop. Yet I feel there are some who will keep doing it because its who they are and they tell us to write what we know. I believe they have every right to put their music out there as you have every right not to buy it. Rap is just a voice for people to pull their frustrations out of them. And the lyrics youmostly describe usually fall under gangsta rap there are many fine other rappers who rap about good things like Kanye West and Jesus Walks which is a very spiritual song. Like I said I like some rap but other people love all of it and they should listen to it because its their right.
"And just to let you know, it is a matter of popular culture, not politics. Democratic areas are no more subject to bad rap music than any other place and to make that kind of claim is both ignorant and naive."
No, what I am saying is true. Republicans and Democrats are different people. Repub/consevatives will not stand for such violent and hateful music. Liberals will. It is as simple as that.
For example, Texans will reject this music because the majority of them are republicans. Texas will reject this music and therefore it will not influence them. Urban populated areas will and will continue to have their slums and "hoods".Texas will have their ranches, california will have its slums. It is as simple as that.
Nixonreed: Yes, it is not all bad, but what I'm saying is that the majority of the mainstream speaks of a place filled with pimps and hoes and addicts, money crazed women selling their bodies, and people shooting up others just cause they're not in the same "crew" as the other. This nightmare is being sold to the community of america and our society is slowly turning into this nightmare.
Thats what Im expressing about on this post. the fact that we have to do something about it.
LOL.. I don't usually laugh at people who are seriously putting their opinion out there.. but honestly some of this is just too comical to resist.
BC08:"Republicans and Democrats are different people. Repub/consevatives will not stand for such violent and hateful music. Liberals will. It is as simple as that.
For example, Texans will reject this music because the majority of them are republicans. Texas will reject this music and therefore it will not influence them"
Buddy - PLEASE go get a life. I don't mean that in the derogatory way, I am giving you an honest plea - GO GET A LIFE. Stop pulling this kind of crap out of your arse and try to be realistic about your arguments. Hip-Hop music is DOMINATING the mainstream - more than rock, more than pop or country or anything else. If roughly half the country is Republican/Conservative then why is it that this genre is dominant EVERYWHERE? Go walk down the street in Dallas or Houston and interupt everyone you see listening to an iPod - ask them what they are listening to. If you can avoid a serious beating you will find out that people in Texas do in fact listen to rap music.
Cate:"the majority of the innappropriate lyrics are in rap music.
Is that right. Let's just investigate this a little further shall we?
BASTARDS OF CHRIST - DIE!!!!
He fucked himself to save you - put to death, masochist
For this his words berate truth - agonized, prophecized
Revive the book of fiction - blasphemy, gluttony, to deceive you and me
In battled disposition - hang the bitch on the cross
Entitle his convictions - blasphemous, lunatic
Your heart is full of hatred - BASTARDS DIE, FUCK YOUR CHRIST,
WILL SURVIVE, KILL YOURSELF........DIE!!!!!!!!!!
There's a little Slayer for you .. not a rap group I might add.
I am the god of fuck, I am the god of fuck
Virgins sold in quantity, herded by heredity
Red-neck-burn-out-mid-west-mind, "who said date rape isn't kind?"
Porno-nation, evaluation
What's this, "time for segregation"
Libido, libido fascination, too much oral defecation
White trash get down on your knees, time for cake and sodomy
Time for cake and sodomy
(I am the god of fuck, I am the god of fuck)
VCR's and vaseline, TV-fucked by plastic queens
Cash in hand and dick on screen, who said god was ever clean?
Bible-belt 'round anglo-waste, putting sinners in their place
Yeah, right, great if you're so good explain the shit stains on your face
White trash get down on your knees, time for cake and sodomy
Time for cake and sodomy
Not exactly an uplifting song from our dear friend Marilyn Manson
And finally..this little gem comes from a metal band called Achera or something.
2000 years ago has been enough, it's time to cast out Christian thought
The worship of a bastard is absurd, these ways must be fought
No more confessions or worthless prayers, guilt and failth we don't need
Rely upon thy self, not some idol god, self preservation is key
Fuck the ways of Christ, fuck the ways of Christ
Fuck the ways of Christ, fuck the ways of Christ
Fuck the ways of Christ, fuck the ways of Christ
Fuck the ways of Christ, fuck the ways of Christ
Adam and Eve were just a myth, evolution shows the proof
The meek shall never inherit the earth, Darwin, he wrote the truth
The words "Thou shalt" are for slaves not for those who rise above
Love thy neighbor" is a fuckin' joke for few are worthy of my love
Fuck the ways of Christ, fuck the ways of Christ
Fuck the ways of Christ, fuck the ways of Christ
Fuck the ways of Christ, fuck the ways of Christ
Fuck the ways of Christ, fuck the ways of Christ
Purification day has arrived, the Jesus freaks are revealing their ways
Soon the masses will wake up, that will be the Church's final days
Every empire that has stood strong has fallen in the past
Christianity is no exception, it's godly reign will never last
Fuck the ways of Christ, fuck the ways of Christ
Fuck the ways of Christ, fuck the ways of Christ
Fuck the ways of Christ, fuck the ways of Christ
Fuck the ways of Christ, fuck the ways of Christ
I don't know about you, but these lyrics are equally as gross as anything rap ever put out. And this coming from someone who loves the heavier music styles.
My point in this is that ALL musical styles have the potential to be used for good and evil equally. If you aren't aware of this already then perhaps you need to take a hard look at whatever you listen to. You may be surprised what you find out.
The comparison of slums vs. ranches is completely irrelevant. The culture in each area of the U.S. is very different, and that has nothing at all to do with politics. You cannot possibly say that there are no slums in Texas, or no ranches in California. The arguement just doesn't stand.
Hey man, this Pete. You know from "pete on politics".
I agree with you completely.
Ausome site. You don't mind if I link to your blog do you?
Hey pete! Go ahead. And I'll be checking your site regularly, and if it is updated regularly, I will link your blog as well.
Saint: And are they mainstream? I dont think so. My point is that It is rap mainstream that is getting all the attention so we must pay attention to it.
"Buddy - PLEASE go get a life. I don't mean that in the derogatory way, I am giving you an honest plea - GO GET A LIFE. Stop pulling this kind of crap out of your arse and try to be realistic about your arguments. Hip-Hop music is DOMINATING the mainstream - more than rock, more than pop or country or anything else. If roughly half the country is Republican/Conservative then why is it that this genre is dominant EVERYWHERE? Go walk down the street in Dallas or Houston and interupt everyone you see listening to an iPod - ask them what they are listening to. If you can avoid a serious beating you will find out that people in Texas do in fact listen to rap music."
Well, no matter how you say it, its gonna come out derrogetory. I have a life. I have friends and we go to the beach and we have parties. I have a life.
I think I need to restate myself. People in texas may listen to rap music, but they do idolize it and let it become them. Proof? well in new york and california, they've got "hoods" and they've got slums. But I challenge you to go to a suburban texas area and find any gangsters, let alone hoods or slums.
There are CULTS in Texas. I'd prefer the slums to a cult anyday. It's also unfair to make the judgement that because people listen to rap music, they live in slums, or vice versa. I also know plenty of diehard rap fans that are not, in any way, gangsters. Seeing the world would be better than assuming you know all about it. Broaden your horizons and you will quickly see that liberalism in America certainly is not the root of all evil.
its not the root of all evil, but its the root of most evil. Cults? there are cults everywhere. And gangs are as bad as cults. Gangs cause physical violence and disorder, and cults cause mental violence and disorder. Either way your selling your soul to the devil.
"I also know plenty of diehard rap fans that are not, in any way, gangsters."
Well if they're under the age of 20 im sure that they try to act "black" or "gangster" or whatever the heck you want to call it. But thats just the beginning. Either they will grow out of that "phase" or they will get more into it and will end up in jail or try to get in a gang or something stupid like that.(which is more likely, as americans are becoming more stupid and immature by the day, which is resulting by the crap which is put on tv) I know tons of these people. and I fear they will never grow out of it.
I find it a real shame that you depend on all sorts of sweeping generalizations to make your points. They don't add up the way you think they do. Real life is not about generalizations and stereotypes - what you need to realize is that every one of those liberals or rap fans that you seem to hate so much has a story, a past, wounds and a reason to live and be loved.
You would score many more points and more a meaningful kind if you put all of this energy into trying to heal the hurts instead of lumping everyone into narrow-minded groups and abitrarily deciding which groups are good and which are bad.
awww heal the hurts. You want me to heal everyones booboos? I dont know what your trying to say with this.
This your liberal side talking saint. Its the same thing with liberals and terrorists.
"you should try and heal the hurts of the terrorists instead of narrowmindedly lumping the terrorists into the bad category and us into the good catergory"
You see what I mean?
If you honestly want to call yourself a Christian you need to really think about what that means. Go read the Gospels and think about what Jesus came here to do and what you should be doing in response to that.
Jesus' entire point was to provide that kind of healing to the world. The world was dead in its wounds and sin, so much so that we could not relate with God or be in his presence.
Being a Christian is not just about getting yourself a ticket to heaven and then ignoring everyone else who doesn't fit with your personal standards. NOBODY meets God's standards, not one of us, and thus we are all in the same boat - all equally undeserving. Yet God chose to give his gift to undeserving people like you and me. Our mission on this earth is not to jeer at those who haven't got there yet, it is precisely to do as Christ did - to love people into leaving their old ways behind and coming to know God.
We are all on a sinking ship, and Christ's command to us is to go out and lead people into the life boat. What you seem to prefer doing is stand in the lineup for the life boat and point at all of the panicked people running around, shouting "YOU MORONS! WHAT A BUNCH OF LOSERS!"
Be careful that the lifeboat doesn't leave while you're busy calling down the riff-raff.
I completely agree with you, Saint. I'm not very much into the whole Christian side of things, but I feel that those who present their religion the way BC08 does is making it only more unattractive to others. I agree more with your second to last comment, about generalizations and stereotypes. I am only 18, which isn't that many years, I know. However, I find it absolutely repulsive that people of ALL ages find some right to judge those that they know nothing about. I am a big advocate for homosexual rights, even though I am not homosexual myself, and I can't stand it when people criticize that lifestyle yet still know no one who lives it. Yes, you may disagree with it, but in knowing about it and having relationships with those who live it there is an immense amount of things to be learned. Going back to rap, I still feel it is completely absurd to say that everyone who enjoys rap is a gangster. Maybe you know a few, BC08, but it's not only your community that plays into that comment and all rap fans should then be taken into account. Your comments have absolutely no validity if they are merely assumptions of an unknown culture.
And yes, there are cults everywhere. But there are slums everywhere, too. That was basically the point. Just because you live in a community that is "mostly conservative/Republican" does not mean those living there are immune from reality. Don't like what's on TV? Turn it off.
Im not here to heal people im here to point out who the bad guys are, and who the good guys are, and thats it.
Im not here to persuade people with fancy little tricks. Im here to show it how it is, and they can accept or not.
allisoni: I totally understand where you are coming from with a lot of what you are saying. It is completely shameful for anyone (Christian or otherwise) to attempt to correct another person for their lifestyle without knowing anything about them or why they got to be where they are. In the case of homosexual rights - well, they are human beings and thus they have rights. And while I don't agree with their choice of lifestyle and I do believe it is a sin issue that needs to be dealt with, I am not interested in persecuting gay people over it or claiming that I am any better. We all have sin issues - mine may not homosexuality, but rest assured I've got my own. These are things that Jesus said quite clearly as well, which is why I am partly mystified when I hear Christians condemning people as though they were perfect models of Christian virtue. As Christ himself said while in a crowd full of "righteous" religious leaders, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." No one in that crowd cast a stone, including Jesus even though he was the only person who had a right to. So many "Christians" just don't get that.
BC08: I'm glad that have finally made your position perfectly clear. You are here to push your own agenda and are not apparently all that interested in God's. Thank you for your honesty.
If you ever do decide you are interested in what Christ would have you do, you must first accept that there are no "good guys". We are all the "bad guys" with no exceptions. Some of us "bad guys" have been granted clemency, but it certainly is nothing any of us ever did that deserved it.
oh dont give me that. so your saying were as bad as terrorists? what you say would really make no sense if I didnt know where you were coming from.
I am here to point out who the good guys and bad guys, because god has given me the wisdom to see who the good guys and the bad guys are.
Do you point me out as "bad guy" because I have liberal views and don't share all of your Christian beliefs? Because if you think about it, that's highly unfair. I am friends with a lot of people whose views are very opposite mine, yet still hold a lot of leadership positions, am very active in city government, and am a well respected babysitter, employee, and friend. There is no reason then, just because I am different than you, for me to be labeled as one of the "bad guys" that God pointed out to you. I'm not even saying this because I'm conceited, or anything like that. I'm saying it because I see no reason for that God-loving heart of yours to be open to only a select few, because I highly doubt that's what he's REALLY trying to tell you.
Couldn't have said it better myself.. the Bible says very clearly that God does not desire that ONE person should be lost. Not ONE person. That means that God loves all those "liberal losers" and terrorists every bit as much as he loves George W. Bush, BC08 or myself.
You are not the "bad guy" anymore than I am the "bad guy" .. all of us need God to be made whole and that doesn't change when one becomes a Christian.
Jesus did not come to make good people better, he came to make dead people live.
Gangs cause physical violence and disorder,
and SO is the government they are the REAL THUGS...
Don't think that all rappers are low lives. You got to pick out the bad weeds from the good ones. These so called rappers who glorify the youths as bling blingers and fast cash. I am absolutely angered by the lowlives of 50 cent, Will Smith, and a few others who think they are all themselves instead of talking about REAL issues poverty, bettering yourself, and corruption like the fraudulent government of ALL kinds. These so called rappers give blacks a bad rap imitating the thug life to the naive african americans and the sad deluded white suburbanite kids. That's their target. These so called rappers keep the blacks so ignorant and the youths out there thinking there is no hope excpet the thug life. Yes the government plays a HUGE role of keeping blacks IN LINE. No I am not a christain at all. I am not going to force it down my throat to people not listening to rap. If I don't like it I go somewhere else. If your friend listens to rap and you get all pissy DEAL WITH IT!
Allisoni: Okay first of all, I never called you the bad guy for having liberal veiws. Your just wrong. The bad guys are terrorists. the bad guys are the dictators. Thats what im talking about.
No, I'm not wrong, and like I said earlier, I find it extremely hard to believe that God has given you the authority to tell me that.
He has. If this scares you then thats good. We should all be motivated by fear, and be god fearing people.
BC08, you have not been granted any kind of authority to tell anyone that their political views are wrong. Jesus quite clearly told us to deal with logs in our own eyes before worrying about the speck in another's.
You seem to have an entire deciduous forest stuck in your eye.
Stop pretending to represent a God that you clearly know nothing about. If you want to be political then be political - if you want to be a Christian, be a Christian. Either way you need to learn a hell of a lot more about your chosen subject.
If you wish to be a Christian politician, then you my friend are going to need to dig DEEP to get to know God's heart for his people before you start spouting off at people. And here's a hint - God doesn't spout off at people, he listens and he loves and he allows them to seek their own path.
It doesn't scare me, thank you, because you're only 15 and don't know what you're talking about.
and thank you for copying one of the most common statements against me - my age.
what are you, 18? your not that far off from me so dont be talking.
That's still 3 years of experience that you don't have. I was not using it just because other people do, but rather because you seem to think it's a big selling point of your opinions that everything you say is absolutely correct and you're only 15, when the reason that they AREN'T all correct is because of that. I didn't start to question my religion until I was 16, so plenty is still possible between your age and mine.
Well i'm 29 so i'm better then both of you. Listen guys no need to start slinging arrows because of age. You both sound like smart kids to me and have surpassed people twice your age. So don't beat down BushCheney because he's 15 years old and don't act like he has the right to his opinion or ther intelligence to say it, because its obvious he's full of both. If you wish to attack him do it on the merit of his opinion not on how old the opinion holder is. In fact don't attack him at all can't you just disrespectfully disagree.
I meant to say don't act like he doesn't have the right to his opinion or the intelligence to say it because of his age. He has the intelligence and he is full of opinion
I am not saying that because he's 15 he shouldn't have the right to say what he thinks, but I feel that a lot of opinions are based off of things that one has yet to understand, mostly because they lack personal experience. To judge someone while knowing nothing about them or without having lived through something close to their situation shouldn't be acceptable, because your view of it may completely change. I was only using it somewhat against him because I have lived through things that have changed my mind, and I have lived 3 years longer than he has. I have nothing against those younger than me, unless they tell me that my opinions of life are wrong.
Its hard to judge the statement "I am always right and you are always wrong" based on the merit of the argument itself. One is forced to consider the source.
In this case, the source is a 15 year old "kid", who has not yet experienced life outside of the bounds of highschool, living at home. He may have "book smarts" when it comes to the political arena, but mostly he just has opinions and judgements that really aren't based on much.
His other opinions I do judge based on their own merit rather than his age, and yet I still find them lacking any kind of meaningful truth.
really if all were doing here is discrediting me for my age, then i dont see the point of me having this blog. We should be trying to learn from each other - not criticizing each other for age and experience. I guess I should post more frequently because the conversation eventually always goes to the subject of how young I am. Thats when it dies. So expect a new post tomorrow morning.
The thing is, YOU are discrediting yourself for your age when you insist that everything you say is right and everything else is wrong.
And how are you claiming to be trying to learn from each other with an attitude like that? If you were interested in learning anything you would not be calling everybody down for having a different opinion than you.
You can't start pretending to take the higher ground now. It is okay to admit defeat sometimes, but if that is what you are going to do then you need to just come out with it. Otherwise stick to being "always right" and quit trying to confuse everyone about your intentions.
I never said I was always right. but if i did then just for the record I was wrong. I am not all powerful, always right. The only reason I have this attitude is because what I believe in I believe in strongly and will defend my opinions.
Defending your opinions is one thing, but telling people that your opinions are the right ones and they just need to accept that is really a wrong attitude.
My wife correctly pointed out that this kind of attitude is wrong no matter what age you are, so in that way it isn't an age thing. The reason I was using your age was simply to point out that at the stage in which you currently find yourself there is a lot that you have not experienced. Book-smarts is one thing, but when talking about politics you really need to have experienced a lot of things for yourself to REALLY know how it works.
You have on numerous occasions dismissed some very wise and insightly comments simply based on the statement "My opinion is right and yours is wrong, and you just need to accept that."
I feel you need to make a choice. If you want this blog to simply be your own personal forum to expound your views on everything, that is fair enough - you have a right to that. In that case, it would be more polite to simply suppress the ability to leave comments rather than allowing people to post their own view point and then invalidate them.
If you are actually seeking conversation and the chance to learn from other people at the same time as attempting to teach the things that you already "know", then you have to start being more opinion to opposing opinions. Being open to them doesn't mean that you have to agree with them and it doesn't mean that you have to change your own opinions, but it means that you will take them into account - weigh them up and I think most importantly, assuming that you do want to understand the heart of God better, pray for understanding. God often speaks to us through other people - don't discount what everyone else says - wisdom and truth comes from many sources and in many different ways, that includes liberals, democrats and the like as well as conservatives and republicans. Differing view points does not mean that one is wrong and one is right - it may be that both are right and wrong about different things or perhaps have been right and wrong at different times.
Keep an open mind - there is ALWAYS something new to learn, whether you are 15 or 150. Take a look at some of the really old people in the Bible like Methuselah, who lived to be almost 1000 years old. He was still learning new things at that age.
The closed mind can never learn anything.
Hey, kid have you EVER had an original thought? All I see are pull quotes in numbers so massive it would make a doctoral thesis jealous.
Hey guess what those "quotes" are songs. I show them to prove my point about how vile and dangerous gangsta rap culture is. But you wouldnt know that would you? Why? Because you obviously skimmed through my post, just saw a bunch of quotes, and thought that it was just propaganda. Why dont you read my material before making assumtions.
good comment saint. I need to think about it
Hey Jayson - now that is kind of response that will take you places (no matter who you are responding to). That's what conversation is all about!
>>Why dont you read my material before making assumtions. <<
Because they're not YOUR material you flaming retard!!!
read the post. then you will understand why the songs are on there. If you still dont understand, then your a flaming retard.
Oh and by the way, I am the farthest thing from flaming.
bushcheney,
an obvious closeted homosexual like yourself should not inflame others in an attempt to hide your secret feelings-you shoudl embrace your differences. Buy that pink leotard! Drink that umbrella drink! Dance, damn you, dance!!!
You have the power to not buy any album, not listen to any music, and to suggest this music doesn't have a forum is just what censorship is all about. The beautiful thing about America is everyone can speak freely. Sing, rap, scream no matter what style they choose to express themselves in a format even if not pleasing to you. In some cases, rap is mirroring one's life. It can't all be flowery and beautiful.
To equate rap with the end of Western Civilization--oh please. If that's all it takes than god help Western Civilization!
Remember the Germans banned Big Band music because of it's influence over young people....but CENSORSHIP of any kind is not warranted.
You are trying to use terms for shock value with no logical or intellectual thought behind it.
You have no logic and reasoning. Blanket statements on a false premise.
"To equate rap with the end of Western Civilization--oh please. If that's all it takes than god help Western Civilization!"
Excactly.
"You have the power to not buy any album, not listen to any music, and to suggest this music doesn't have a forum is just what censorship is all about."
Yes, we do. But what about the kid who just wants to be 'cool'? What about the kid who buys this album because all his friends have it? What about the kid starts dressing like gangsters? What about the kid who brings a gun to school to show everyone else that hes a true gangsta? Then he starts doing drugs, cuz his friends are. Then he gets in a gang. Then he gets arrested. And his life just keeps on going further and further down the toilet.
This is what I'm talking about. The people who have the mental capacaty of an idiot. The people who can be goaded into buying anything, doing anything, or doing anything wrong for someone else.
America is full of these people.
Look at my first comment in response to people commenting on this post. This is what Im talking about. This music is screwing up America, amd I'm not just going to sit by and watch is go to hell.
"You have no logic and reasoning."
Comon, I know you can do better than that.
Oh the slippery slope logic. Gotta love that. Rock N Roll will destroy everything --just like Elvis destroyed a generation etc. If all it takes is music then there is something wrong to begin with --with one's thought process. People have to take more responsibility for themselves.
Where are the PARENTS?
Next it will be TV...then a movie...then a brand of clothing etc.
You can't blame the music for every little thing out there. Music in some form has been around for centuries. It's too simplistic to put a blame to something that you can easily TURN OFF if it offends you personally.
You are a kid. You try to be cool using big words. You try to bully people. When you are challenged you resort to name calling, labels.
So you use the internet for attention to be cool, they use music.
So should we next ban the internet? Books? TV? Movies? Let's all live in a Coca Cola commercial!
What you are asking for is censorship. What offends one doesn't offend all. Being offended isn't against the law.
I guess I'm lucky, I had good parents. I can appreciate all types of music as entertainment not life rules. I don't use drugs, I don't drink, I live on the proper side of the law, and I attend church. Imagine that.
I don't have these problems even when called a loser liberal.
So, really, this is your platform to be "cool" so maybe we should keep people under 18 off the internet.That sounds like a brilliant idea to me.
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