Dude, Where's my civil War?
A good friend sent me this, and I'm more inclined to believe first rate reporting from a commanding officer than any corrupted newscast or "research".
DUDE, WHERE'S MY CIVIL WAR?
-Ralph Peters
I'm trying. I've been trying all week. The other day, I drove another 30 miles or so on the streets and alleys of Baghdad. I'm looking for the civil war that The New York Times declared. And I just can't find it.
Maybe actually being on the ground in Iraq prevents me from seeing it. Perhaps the view's clearer from Manhattan. It could be that my background as an intelligence officer didn't give me the right skills.
And riding around with the U.S. Army, looking at things first-hand, is certainly a technique to which The New York Times wouldn't stoop in such an hour of crisis.
Let me tell you what I saw anyway. Rolling with the "instant Infantry" gunners of the 1st Platoon of Bravo Battery, 4-320 Field Artillery, I saw children and teenagers in a Shia slum jumping up and down and cheering our troops as they drove by. Cheering our troops.
All day - and it was a long day - we drove through Shia and Sunni
neighborhoods. Everywhere, the reception was warm. No violence. None.
And no hostility toward our troops. Iraqis went out of their way to tell us we were welcome.
Instead of a civil war, something very different happened because of the bombing of the Golden Mosque in Samarra. The fanatic attempt to stir up Sunni-vs.-Shia strife, and the subsequent spate of violent attacks, caused popular support for the U.S. presence to spike upward.
Think Abu Musab al-Zarqawi intended that?
In place of the civil war that elements in our media declared, I saw full streets, open shops, traffic jams, donkey carts, Muslim holiday flags - and children everywhere, waving as our Humvees passed. Even the clouds of dust we stirred up didn't deter them. And the presence of children in the streets is the best possible indicator of a low threat level.
Southeast Baghdad, at least, was happy to see our troops.
And we didn't just drive past them. First Lt. Clenn Frost, the platoon leader, took every opportunity to dismount and mingle with the people. Women brought their children out of their compound gates to say hello. A local sheik spontaneously invited us into his garden for colas and sesame biscuits.
It wasn't the Age of Aquarius. The people had serious concerns. And security was No. 1. They wanted the Americans to crack down harder on the foreign terrorists and to disarm the local militias. Iraqis don't like and don't support the militias, Shia or Sunni, which are nothing more than armed gangs.
Help's on the way, if slowly. The Iraqi Army has confounded its Western critics, performing extremely well last week. And the people trust their new army to an encouraging degree. The Iraqi police aren't all the way there yet, and the population doesn't yet have much confidence in them. But all of this takes time.
And even the police are making progress. We took a team of them with us so they could train beside our troops. We visited a Public Order Battalion - a gendarmerie outfit - that reeked of sloth and carelessness. But the regular Iraqi Police outfit down the road proved surprisingly enthusiastic and professional. It's just an uneven, difficult, frustrating process.
So what did I learn from a day in the dust and muck of Baghdad's less-desirable boroughs? As the long winter twilight faded into haze and the fires of the busy shawarma stands blazed in the fresh night, I felt that Iraq was headed, however awkwardly, in the right direction. The country may still see a civil war one day. But not just yet, thanks. Violence continues. A roadside bomb was found in the next sector to the west. There will be more deaths, including some of our own troops. But Baghdad's vibrant life has not been killed. And the people of Iraq just might surprise us all.
So why were we told that Iraq was irreversibly in the throes of civil war when it wasn't remotely true? I think the answers are
straightforward. First, of course, some parties in the West are anxious to believe the worst about Iraq. They've staked their reputations on Iraq's failure.
But there's no way we can let irresponsible journalists off the hook -or their parent organizations. Many journalists are, indeed, brave and conscientious; yet some in Baghdad - working for "prestigious" publications - aren't out on the city streets the way they pretend to be.
They're safe in their enclaves, protected by hired guns, complaining that it's too dangerous out on the streets. They're only in Baghdad for the byline, and they might as well let their Iraqi employees phone it in to the States. Whenever you see a column filed from Baghdad by a semi- celeb journalist with a "contribution" by a local Iraqi, it means this: The Iraqi went out and got the story, while the journalist stayed in his or her room. And the Iraqi stringers have cracked the code: The Americans don't pay for good news. So they exaggerate the bad.
And some of them have agendas of their own.
A few days ago, a wild claim that the Baghdad morgue held 1,300 bodies was treated as Gospel truth (Front page of WaPo and NYT- SCF). Yet Iraqis exaggerate madly and often have partisan interests. Did any Western reporter go to that morgue and count the bodies - a rough count would have done it - before telling the world the news?
I doubt it.
If reporters really care, it's easy to get out on the streets of Baghdad. The 506th Infantry Regiment - and other great military units - will take journalists on their patrols virtually anywhere in the city. Our troops are great to work with. (Of course, there's the danger of becoming infected with patriot- ism . . .)
I'm just afraid that some of our journalists don't want to know the truth anymore.
For me, though, memories of Baghdad will be the cannoneers of the 1st Platoon walking the dusty, reeking alleys of Baghdad. I'll recall 1st Lt. Frost conducting diplomacy with the locals and leading his men through a date-palm grove in a search for insurgent mortar sites.
I'll remember that lieutenant investigating the murder of a Sunni mullah during last week's disturbances, cracking down on black-marketers, checking up on sewer construction, reassuring citizens - and generally doing the job of a lieutenant-colonel in peacetime.
Oh, and I'll remember those "radical Shias" cheering our patrol as we passed by.
Ralph Peters is reporting from Forward Operating Base Loyalty, where he's been riding with the 506th Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne Division.
DUDE, WHERE'S MY CIVIL WAR?
-Ralph Peters
I'm trying. I've been trying all week. The other day, I drove another 30 miles or so on the streets and alleys of Baghdad. I'm looking for the civil war that The New York Times declared. And I just can't find it.
Maybe actually being on the ground in Iraq prevents me from seeing it. Perhaps the view's clearer from Manhattan. It could be that my background as an intelligence officer didn't give me the right skills.
And riding around with the U.S. Army, looking at things first-hand, is certainly a technique to which The New York Times wouldn't stoop in such an hour of crisis.
Let me tell you what I saw anyway. Rolling with the "instant Infantry" gunners of the 1st Platoon of Bravo Battery, 4-320 Field Artillery, I saw children and teenagers in a Shia slum jumping up and down and cheering our troops as they drove by. Cheering our troops.
All day - and it was a long day - we drove through Shia and Sunni
neighborhoods. Everywhere, the reception was warm. No violence. None.
And no hostility toward our troops. Iraqis went out of their way to tell us we were welcome.
Instead of a civil war, something very different happened because of the bombing of the Golden Mosque in Samarra. The fanatic attempt to stir up Sunni-vs.-Shia strife, and the subsequent spate of violent attacks, caused popular support for the U.S. presence to spike upward.
Think Abu Musab al-Zarqawi intended that?
In place of the civil war that elements in our media declared, I saw full streets, open shops, traffic jams, donkey carts, Muslim holiday flags - and children everywhere, waving as our Humvees passed. Even the clouds of dust we stirred up didn't deter them. And the presence of children in the streets is the best possible indicator of a low threat level.
Southeast Baghdad, at least, was happy to see our troops.
And we didn't just drive past them. First Lt. Clenn Frost, the platoon leader, took every opportunity to dismount and mingle with the people. Women brought their children out of their compound gates to say hello. A local sheik spontaneously invited us into his garden for colas and sesame biscuits.
It wasn't the Age of Aquarius. The people had serious concerns. And security was No. 1. They wanted the Americans to crack down harder on the foreign terrorists and to disarm the local militias. Iraqis don't like and don't support the militias, Shia or Sunni, which are nothing more than armed gangs.
Help's on the way, if slowly. The Iraqi Army has confounded its Western critics, performing extremely well last week. And the people trust their new army to an encouraging degree. The Iraqi police aren't all the way there yet, and the population doesn't yet have much confidence in them. But all of this takes time.
And even the police are making progress. We took a team of them with us so they could train beside our troops. We visited a Public Order Battalion - a gendarmerie outfit - that reeked of sloth and carelessness. But the regular Iraqi Police outfit down the road proved surprisingly enthusiastic and professional. It's just an uneven, difficult, frustrating process.
So what did I learn from a day in the dust and muck of Baghdad's less-desirable boroughs? As the long winter twilight faded into haze and the fires of the busy shawarma stands blazed in the fresh night, I felt that Iraq was headed, however awkwardly, in the right direction. The country may still see a civil war one day. But not just yet, thanks. Violence continues. A roadside bomb was found in the next sector to the west. There will be more deaths, including some of our own troops. But Baghdad's vibrant life has not been killed. And the people of Iraq just might surprise us all.
So why were we told that Iraq was irreversibly in the throes of civil war when it wasn't remotely true? I think the answers are
straightforward. First, of course, some parties in the West are anxious to believe the worst about Iraq. They've staked their reputations on Iraq's failure.
But there's no way we can let irresponsible journalists off the hook -or their parent organizations. Many journalists are, indeed, brave and conscientious; yet some in Baghdad - working for "prestigious" publications - aren't out on the city streets the way they pretend to be.
They're safe in their enclaves, protected by hired guns, complaining that it's too dangerous out on the streets. They're only in Baghdad for the byline, and they might as well let their Iraqi employees phone it in to the States. Whenever you see a column filed from Baghdad by a semi- celeb journalist with a "contribution" by a local Iraqi, it means this: The Iraqi went out and got the story, while the journalist stayed in his or her room. And the Iraqi stringers have cracked the code: The Americans don't pay for good news. So they exaggerate the bad.
And some of them have agendas of their own.
A few days ago, a wild claim that the Baghdad morgue held 1,300 bodies was treated as Gospel truth (Front page of WaPo and NYT- SCF). Yet Iraqis exaggerate madly and often have partisan interests. Did any Western reporter go to that morgue and count the bodies - a rough count would have done it - before telling the world the news?
I doubt it.
If reporters really care, it's easy to get out on the streets of Baghdad. The 506th Infantry Regiment - and other great military units - will take journalists on their patrols virtually anywhere in the city. Our troops are great to work with. (Of course, there's the danger of becoming infected with patriot- ism . . .)
I'm just afraid that some of our journalists don't want to know the truth anymore.
For me, though, memories of Baghdad will be the cannoneers of the 1st Platoon walking the dusty, reeking alleys of Baghdad. I'll recall 1st Lt. Frost conducting diplomacy with the locals and leading his men through a date-palm grove in a search for insurgent mortar sites.
I'll remember that lieutenant investigating the murder of a Sunni mullah during last week's disturbances, cracking down on black-marketers, checking up on sewer construction, reassuring citizens - and generally doing the job of a lieutenant-colonel in peacetime.
Oh, and I'll remember those "radical Shias" cheering our patrol as we passed by.
Ralph Peters is reporting from Forward Operating Base Loyalty, where he's been riding with the 506th Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne Division.
35 Comments:
That's just it. I beleive the millitary more than the media. If someone from the millitary said it was going bad I would believe it but they are saying things are going good so that's what I'll believe.
Glad your blogging again.
Has anyone heard of Alex Jones?
bush needs shot, and so does tony blair.
I found something about Alex Jones
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones_%28journalist%29
saddam hussain said...
"bush needs shot, and so does tony blair."
Ah, the stupidity... Well, we'll start from the top. First, you spelled Hussein wrong, second, Bush needs shot is not a complete sentence, third, you're a complete moron.
Jayson,
Good find, I think that was something we all needed to read.
Rgh, Anynomous keeps posting this Jones crap, (I haven't gone to your dumb link either anynomous) on my blog too. He's just some loser with too much time on his hands.
Anyway, I think this post is spot on. People need to listen to the soldiers more than the media.
No darky I guess you are too coward to read about him and probably a threat to your trifiling ego...
I read it anonymous - and there are already enough of these radical morons on the internet already - why did you send me to go read about another one? All that really did for me is make me nausious. Is he your role model or something? thats a pretty poor role model.
I read it anonymous - and there are already enough of these radical morons on the internet already - why did you send me to go read about another one? All that really did for me is make me nausious. Is he your role model or something? thats a pretty poor role model.
Radical Morons? He is just as patriotic as he gets like other patriots against the global elite.
You want radicals here is one of yours...Texe Marrs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texe_Marrs
Maybe you should read about him I think he is very interesting...
I guess you have beaten your lunacy to align yourself with your leader of the lies instead of the constitutional republic
In regards to Alex Jones, imo, some of this discord he holds is a good thing, because he has a certain amount of suspicion for his government, and he is always on guard and careful of the information he is being fed, no matter who is in office... I consider that kind of person the true patriot, the one who has constant awareness and a healthy amount of suspicion for what his government is doing. I agree with some of the things he stands for, particularly the themes he presents of a totalitarian world government, erosion of civil liberties, misuse of government power, and government corruption. I haven't seen any of his documentaries, so I can't pass judgment too quickly, but I have a rough guess of some of the things he would preach.
But Americans Against Arnold? Come on. That whole controversy sounds just moronic.
And anonymous, I wouldn't idol worship this reporter. That holds too high a margin for error and future idiocy, and if this reporter believes everything he says and really knows what he's talking about, then he wouldn't like you to.
The civil war entry was extremely enlightening to me, and I regard it so much higher than the statistics and biased reports shown on tv.
And anonymous, I wouldn't idol worship this reporter. That holds too high a margin for error and future idiocy, and if this reporter believes everything he says and really knows what he's talking about, then he wouldn't like you to.
The civil war entry was extremely enlightening to me, and I regard it so much higher than the statistics and biased reports shown on tv.
There is a difference between idoling and admiring the reporter Alex Jones and he is not the only one I usually receive information. I have his dvds and talks about how both dems and repubs have the same master money and are all part of the elite. You should rent out American Dictators about the fixed elections and the Martial Law 911. Martial law is one of his best works.
I do not buy any of the whole civil war thing this is what global elite if planning to do. Roxanna I recommend you should go for the PNAC and check these movies out.
Hmm.. thanks anonymous, but I'd really rather get my information from people I can respect rather than radical reporters on heavy topics like that. Thanks anyway though. If I ever need some entertainment, I'll look him up.
Actually Alex Jones is definitely not a radical nor does he belong to the left/right cult...
I have more respect with Alex Jones and a few others rather than Michel Moore who just presents his documentary as a scratch the surface.
How many people can you find who is not part of this left/right wing paradigm? Who can discuss about the Council of Foreign Relations? Who realize that both parties are part of the rich elite? I don't care if they are Republicans or Democrats...
This blog and others are a prime example of this whole democrat/republican mantra which has nothing to do with the constitution, sovereignty, or the republic.
How can people call Bush a republican even though he does not carry the foundational aspect of republican? This goes with Kerry, Liebermann, and Giuliani as well.
"Actually Alex Jones is definitely not a radical nor does he belong to the left/right cult..."
these arent cults my friend, they are political parties, and about 95% of americans are involved in either one. (not a real statistic, just an estimate) Since Alex Jones is not involved in either one, plus has ideas that a very small group of people support, he is a radical. Thats the very definition. He is also a moron, as the truth is not hidden as he and you believe it is, but as plain as can be. And the sooner you can realize that the sooner you can be less MORONIC.
In your world that is your voodoo science statistic not mine not the parties...what are you talking about political parties are not cults? Look at these so called Republicans and Democrats and I mean the people it's like a dumb football game...people are so gullible as if they have a choice in which who they can choose their petty candidate. Voting does not work. I hear the same trifiling mantras about voicing your opinion. They the fixed 2 party system does a real good job manipulating the votes and playing people's emotion. Every debate is always the same mantra abortion god homosexuals and guns instead of the real issues such as getting out of debt from this petty war, restoring the constitutional republic, and definitely abolishing all of these organizations such as the CFR, bilderbergers, trilateral commission, the federal reserve, lobbyists. These 2 party system basing on the candidate is quite dangerous. In reality the 10 percent of the world owns these politicians (Rockfellers) and I suggest to google about these organizations.
If these political parties stop being a bunch of greedy pigs and stick with the foundational republican and democratic concepts. Hardly these are rare but the only two I admire are McKinney a democrat from GA, and Ron Paul Republican from Texas. I commend them for stepping up against these Machevellians. There are more republicans who are now turning their backs against Bush because they are sick of him already.
Tell me what Bush does that is Republican because I have never seen anything practical of him being a Republican. How can he be above the law and sign another 83 billion dollar even though the senate turned down the act? Is that Republican? I don't want to hear about how safe we are from those terrorists that's just ignorance.
What Alex Jones is doing is informing the people that the constitution is in tatters, the political parties are in shambles, and definitely turning their backs on their people for their own self interest and our right to bear arms is at stake. So don't attempt to indoctrinate me about radicals...the cheerleaders like Hannity, O'Reilly, and Limbaugh spew their little propoganda and brainwash. What I have seen in this country from both political parties are the most radical changes I have witnessed in history such as the Iraq War, the OKC Bombing, 911, hearing the speech about the New World Order, the killings of Christian groups at Ruby Ridge, Waco, all set up to kill families. Also the secret wars in Kosovo, Yugoslavia, Iran, and the concentration camps secretly setting up here in this country...
Did you know in the constitution that if the people are not satisfied with the current government they have the right to overthrow the current government and create a new one that can keep the republic...
America should wake up it's about time the people should realize everything is a lie...
Since I have given you a long dosage of meal don't think about slithering through the questions with nasty adhominem attacks and petty excuses
you are obviously beyond any reasoning, anonymous. you are so set in your beliefs that you won't take in anything else.
hmm, it sounds like this anonymous is one of those hate all, anti-decision, radical centrists.
http://thebetterwing.blogspot.com/2005/11/why-anti-decision-centrists-are.html
you people are petty to think everyone is a radical even though they are minutemen. What I am offering you is to look at these key words and find it yourself and come to your own conclusion. Instead you attempt to make me look like a radical and with trifiling names and attacks. I do not take this whole listen to the government's or the majority of the media's reports, Michael Moore, or Noam Chomsky who is a CIA controlled left covering up for the CIA, CFR, and other Multinational Corporations. As far as I am concerned I am not going to take your site seriously.
Just as I won't take your CIA conspiracy garbage seriously.
"What I am offering you is to look at these key words and find it yourself and come to your own conclusion."
"As far as I am concerned I am not going to take your site seriously."
so we should consider your views seriously, but you aren't going to consider ours? hmm. read my last post.
he's like dfkz but without all of the annoying little links and news reports from all those biased sources. his values are set in stone, and there is no turning back for him. pitty.
BushCheney08 said... he's like dfkz but without all of the annoying little links and news reports from all those biased sources. his values are set in stone, and there is no turning back for him. pitty.
No, I pitty you.
The story by Ralph Peters you put so much faith in is from NewsMax -- A conservatively biased Neo-Con propaganda website. Talk about biased sources!
I wonder why you never mentioned this?!
Here are some annoying links for you:
Rep. John Murtha: Situation in Iraq Is Civil War
You refuse to believe "corrupted newscasts"? What about the former Prime Minister of Iraq?
Former Iraq PM: We Are In Civil War. Iraq is in the middle of a civil war, Iraq's former prime minister, Ayad Allawi, said in an interview with the British Broadcasting Corp. Quote: "If this is not civil war, then God knows what civil war is". (CBS News, 3/19/2006)
Why don't you tell me why he's lying? I KNOW there is no way you're going to agree with him -- since what he's saying is contrary to the bushco propaganda you've been brainwashed into believing is the absolute truth.
SAD.
he's not lying, he's just an idiot. are you going to tell me that the old prime minister of iraq (who wasnt even in iraq at the time he had that interview, he was in london, LIVING there.
Nice job cheesing up news max (calling it neocon, propaganda, ect) The fact is, its a news source that leans toward the right, just like Fox.
And I definetly trust an on the feild reporter that is observing the situation in iraq FROM iraq, rather than a political figure that is observing the situation in iraq from LONDON. Especially when the political figure talks about how he thinks its a civil war because people are dying in iraq everyday. he's basing his analysis off of a single statistic, not thinking of what are causing those deaths, and those are terrorists. In the meantime the reporter is basing his analysis off of things that he actually SAW. he saw the majority of the people cheering american troops. and that is a fact.
So go ahead and whine all you want about neocon propaganda conservative, wah wah wah. this is the truth, and the fact is that YOU cant handle it.
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Ahem.
This article comes from The New York Post, I believe. I have the link, if you want to look.
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/64677.htm
Aside from that, I hardly think that the people who sent me this article (I posted it on myspace and Jayson read it) would believe it if it was as bad as you say it is, and evidently it's "NeoCon propaganda" in your eyes.
How about your sources? I can see that next to your second links' article, there is a video clip showing JUST people around the world protesting the war, with signs proclaiming Bush "World's #1 Terrorist". How is that for biased propaganda?
You seem to have been 'brainwashed' by the news, and being an adult with (supposedly) a little more experience under your belt I would have assumed that you would notice that no news, truly, is reliable. It's all someone's opinion, no matter how 'fair and balanced' they might say they are.
Who you decide is more credible is the thing. And I'd say that Ralph's article tops yours.
Excellent post! The MSM must be so disappointed that their fabricated "Civil War" hasn't come to pass. Poor babies! Wonder what they will think up next?
Holy crap... that seemed like reality... whatever will the left do??????
RE "bush is not the antichrist"
Sure he isn't, but his evil overlords have shares in hell.
By the way, did you know that george's real middle name is toby?
The Devil's Name Is Toby
http://beepbeepitsme.blogspot.com/
"By the way, did you know that george's real middle name is toby? The Devil's Name is Toby."
Oh the complete idiocy of some people! Now Bush is evil because his middle name is "Toby." I've seen many stupid comments on the internet, but this one is head and shoulders far dumber than any of the others. This commentor should be given an "idiot of the year" award of some sort.
I love the title of this blog because the conceit is that Bush is even remotely intellignet enough to be suspected as being the Anti-Christ!
Oh, go play in traffic or something. your comments are not appreciated here.
No civil war, eh.....? The media is lying, eh....? No blood running in the steets of Baghdad, eh.....? Its all about liberal denial, eh....? I'm a proud American, but it is a shame to see America's army and America's prestige being ground into hamburger. And for what? So that Shiites can even their centuries-old scores against the Sunnis?
Nice smackdown there.
To the commenter above me: Amoypuss,
piss off. THANK YOU
You are not my hero. You do not represent me or any American I know.
Shame on you, murderer!
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